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Old 08-02-2021, 02:24 PM   #1
Michael Piziak
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Intel processor - curious about mine


I was curious as to what I could tell about the Intel processor in my desktop. Like what generation it was/year it was, etc...
It's curious that my motherboard is 1998 - surely my processor isn't that old....see attachment

Intel seems to make so many processors, many with nearly the same name - example: A "Pentium" processor is still being manufactured in 2021 (Intel has used the Pentium name for probably a decade or longer)...

Wiki link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...All_processors

Sticker on desktop: "Intel Core i5 vPro."

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Old 08-02-2021, 02:27 PM   #2
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inxi -Ca
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haswel...oarchitecture)

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Old 08-02-2021, 02:31 PM   #3
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Here is a starting point.

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us...-3-60-ghz.html
 
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Old 08-02-2021, 04:17 PM   #4
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Thanks all for your answers.

Please see 2 attached screenshots of my laptop info. Is the laptops processor newer/older or slower/faster than my desktop ?

The Broadwell chip in the laptop appears to be part of the Haswel chip family. The laptop info, however, doesn't tell a year the mother board was made (like the desktop info does). Furthermore, the Broadwell chip wiki suggests that Broadwell came after the Haswell (even though the desktop has the i5 and laptop has the i3 - one would logically think a "5" would be more modern than a "3" processor but one never knows with how Intel names their processors....)
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Old 08-02-2021, 04:49 PM   #5
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No, broadly speaking i3/i5/i7 reflect the performance class. Each generation of Intel Core processors has chips in all three of these. i3/i5/i7 of the 4th generation are Haswell, i3/i5/i7 of 5th generation are Broadwell.
 
Old 08-02-2021, 06:04 PM   #6
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Thanks all for your answers.
Please see 2 attached screenshots of my laptop info. Is the laptops processor newer/older or slower/faster than my desktop ?

The Broadwell chip in the laptop appears to be part of the Haswel chip family. The laptop info, however, doesn't tell a year the mother board was made (like the desktop info does). Furthermore, the Broadwell chip wiki suggests that Broadwell came after the Haswell (even though the desktop has the i5 and laptop has the i3 - one would logically think a "5" would be more modern than a "3" processor but one never knows with how Intel names their processors....)
You do realize that michaelk gave you a link to the Intel site, that tells you all about the various processors, right? That you could have just looked up your i3 processor, found the 5020u information (on the Core/i3 page) with a small amount of effort?
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us...rocessors.html

Especially since you were told about the inxi command four years ago:
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...el-4175602152/

...and a few months ago, where you also were explicitly told you had a Haswell i3:
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...or-4175690777/
 
Old 08-02-2021, 07:01 PM   #7
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As Intel explains it:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us...r-numbers.html

Broadwell is a 14nm die shrink of the 22nm Haswell, basically the same CPU/IGP in a more compact, less power consuming package.

Your slightly older desktop CPU has 4 cores running at higher clock than the laptop's 2 2-thread cores. You should expect the 3.2GHz 4 core desktop CPU with 1.15 GHz peak IGP frequency compared to 2.2GHz 2 core 900MHz IGP on the laptop to be the faster of the two in bench testing. Just how noticeable the difference would be in day to day use is another matter. My guess is you could tell, but not a whole lot.
 
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Old 08-02-2021, 07:23 PM   #8
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As Intel explains it:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us...r-numbers.html

Broadwell is a 14nm die shrink of the 22nm Haswell, basically the same CPU/IGP in a more compact, less power consuming package.

Your slightly older desktop CPU has 4 cores running at higher clock than the laptop's 2 2-thread cores. You should expect the 3.2GHz 4 core desktop CPU with 1.15 GHz peak IGP frequency compared to 2.2GHz 2 core 900MHz IGP on the laptop to be the faster of the two in bench testing. Just how noticeable the difference would be in day to day use is another matter. My guess is you could tell, but not a whole lot.
Thanks so much for your courteous reply.

I now assume that System Monitor is reporting that the laptop has 4 threads - I use to think these 4 cpus, as seen in this attachment, meant it had 4 cores.

Regards,

Michael
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Old 08-02-2021, 09:35 PM   #9
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I can't answer exactly how old either cpu is, but according to intel the i5-4570 was released June 2, 2013 and the i3-5020u was released 31 March 2015. The i3 is 5th generation and the i5 is 4th generation. (I believe the first digit of the 4 digit number tells you that, and newer ones use 5 digits)
 
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Thanks so much for your courteous reply.

I now assume that System Monitor is reporting that the laptop has 4 threads - I use to think these 4 cpus, as seen in this attachment, meant it had 4 cores.

Regards,

Michael
Utilities like System Monitor will generally report what are known as 'logical processors' - which a lot of folks (including Intel's marketing) will call 'threads' - which may or may correlate 1:1 to 'physical processors.' On older Intel products generally they do, except on mobile and i7 desktop chips (many of which get HyperThreading, allowing 2 logical processors per core); newer (from ~10th generation) Intel chips seem to have opened HyperThreading up for most SKUs. ARK will tell you definitively (Intel will use the word 'core' to mean 'physical processor.' For the i3 5020U (https://www.intel.com/content/www/us...fications.html) it shows '2 cores /4 threads' which means its a dual core with HyperThreading (which is not an uncommon configuration for a mobile Intel chip).

In addition to System Information (from your screenshots) another utility to consider to learn more about the CPU in a system is CPU-X (https://x0rg.github.io/CPU-X/) which should be available in Ubuntu's repos. You can also use the commands
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lscpu
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The i3 is 5th generation and the i5 is 4th generation. (I believe the first digit of the 4 digit number tells you that, and newer ones use 5 digits)
Indeed. They've actually gone into 5 digit model numbers now for 10th and 11th, with 12th supposed to launch later this year. Of course, all of this gets really murky as you go back far enough (specifically what I mean is: prior to Intel declaring a "2nd generation" (which everything counted up from to present) there were a few iterations of Core products (including the current i3/i5/i7 schema) as well). Some of the mobile/embedded parts also end up with really weird nomenclature as well (the current 11th generation laptop chips for example), and the significance of the i3/i5/i7 segmentation has diminished in recent generations (along with the release of the 'i9' SKU).

To the point about 'Pentium must be a decade or more' - more like 25 years. They actually released a 20th anniversary edition Pentium as part of the Haswell era, the G3258 (https://www.anandtech.com/show/8232/...ntium-g3258-ae). The naming schema there doesn't perfectly align with the Core series, despite using the same underlying architecture (so for example the Pentium G6400 (the '6000 series') is actually from the same generation as the Core i7 10700). Using Intel's code names (e.g. 'Comet Lake' or 'Haswell') is usually an easier way to know where a product comes from.

On the motherboard, '1998' is probably just the model number HP chose (HP motherboards usually have very simple model names/numbers), and it just happens to look like a familiar date.
 
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Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post
Utilities like System Monitor will generally report what are known as 'logical processors' - which a lot of folks (including Intel's marketing) will call 'threads' - which may or may correlate 1:1 to 'physical processors.' On older Intel products generally they do, except on mobile and i7 desktop chips (many of which get HyperThreading, allowing 2 logical processors per core); newer (from ~10th generation) Intel chips seem to have opened HyperThreading up for most SKUs. ARK will tell you definitively (Intel will use the word 'core' to mean 'physical processor.' For the i3 5020U (https://www.intel.com/content/www/us...fications.html) it shows '2 cores /4 threads' which means its a dual core with HyperThreading (which is not an uncommon configuration for a mobile Intel chip).

In addition to System Information (from your screenshots) another utility to consider to learn more about the CPU in a system is CPU-X (https://x0rg.github.io/CPU-X/) which should be available in Ubuntu's repos. You can also use the commands
Code:
lscpu
and
Code:
cat /proc/cpuinfo
Indeed; and the OP was told about inxi, dmidecode, and the /proc/cpuinfo commands four years ago.

Quote:
Indeed. They've actually gone into 5 digit model numbers now for 10th and 11th, with 12th supposed to launch later this year. Of course, all of this gets really murky as you go back far enough (specifically what I mean is: prior to Intel declaring a "2nd generation" (which everything counted up from to present) there were a few iterations of Core products (including the current i3/i5/i7 schema) as well). Some of the mobile/embedded parts also end up with really weird nomenclature as well (the current 11th generation laptop chips for example), and the significance of the i3/i5/i7 segmentation has diminished in recent generations (along with the release of the 'i9' SKU).

To the point about 'Pentium must be a decade or more' - more like 25 years. They actually released a 20th anniversary edition Pentium as part of the Haswell era, the G3258 (https://www.anandtech.com/show/8232/...ntium-g3258-ae). The naming schema there doesn't perfectly align with the Core series, despite using the same underlying architecture (so for example the Pentium G6400 (the '6000 series') is actually from the same generation as the Core i7 10700). Using Intel's code names (e.g. 'Comet Lake' or 'Haswell') is usually an easier way to know where a product comes from.

On the motherboard, '1998' is probably just the model number HP chose (HP motherboards usually have very simple model names/numbers), and it just happens to look like a familiar date.
Good points; they tried to cover the naming schemas and such on the Intel website, as well as on Wikipedia.
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I can't answer exactly how old either cpu is, but according to intel the i5-4570 was released June 2, 2013 and the i3-5020u was released 31 March 2015. The i3 is 5th generation and the i5 is 4th generation. (I believe the first digit of the 4 digit number tells you that, and newer ones use 5 digits)
True, but since the last iteration of that CPU was released in 2017 (and the first in 2015), that makes the CPU between four and six years old.

Michael Piziak, did you attempt to look up any of this, given the past commands you were given, and the resources available to you online??
 
  


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