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Old 09-05-2020, 03:57 AM   #1
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Intel NUC Kit NUC8I7HVK Core i7 Mini PC (Hades Canyon)


Hello friends,

I intend to get a new machine, the above is my option for now, but the supplier does't know to tell me if it is suitable for KDE Plasma 20.04

Anybody has anyexperience with this? I need tit for software development, not for playing games

Thank you
Alex
 
Old 09-05-2020, 09:59 AM   #2
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alex4buba,

This link may help:
https://medium.com/@jhh3/installing-...uc-e561b77680c

Ubuntu appears to be an optional OS at SimplyNUC:
https://simplynuc.co.uk/8i7hvk-full/
 
Old 09-05-2020, 04:47 PM   #3
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I can't guarantee it but my guess is that would be a good computer. Not sure why you need KDE plasma to do development exactly but KDE plasma seems on require only the most minimal video hardware.
 
Old 09-05-2020, 06:17 PM   #4
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I can't guarantee it but my guess is that would be a good computer. Not sure why you need KDE plasma to do development exactly but KDE plasma seems on require only the most minimal video hardware.
Hi Jefro,

I "Arrived" into Linux just 2 months ago, after 30+ years with Windows...
The KDE offers me a UI with an easier transition.

Thanks
Alex
 
Old 09-05-2020, 06:21 PM   #5
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alex4buba,

This link may help:
https://medium.com/@jhh3/installing-...uc-e561b77680c

Ubuntu appears to be an optional OS at SimplyNUC:
https://simplynuc.co.uk/8i7hvk-full/
Hi Beachboy2

Both links help, but like with many other things, they bring up more questions in my mind.
THe shop that offers it is located in the UK, I live down under, in Australia and will not buy now from the UK which will, in case of a problem, leave me with no local support.

However, I can take the optional configurations from the web-shop, and ask the local vendors if they can "Mimic" it.

Thanks for your time
Alex
 
Old 09-05-2020, 09:00 PM   #6
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I know folks have opinions about Intel but they have been providing drivers to Linux for decades. Their products almost always work out of the box.

That nuc should be fine. Might be slightly more expensive than a competitive desktop.
 
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I know folks have opinions about Intel but they have been providing drivers to Linux for decades. Their products almost always work out of the box.

That nuc should be fine. Might be slightly more expensive than a competitive desktop.
Thanks again,

The most "Expensive" item I have at age 75, is TIME, all the rest is relatively cheap...
I am currently using an Intel NUC (the older version) and had no problems installing on it Ubuntu 20.04 at the start, but am trying to find as much details about compatability ahead of purchasing a new one.

Cheers
Alex
 
Old 09-05-2020, 10:05 PM   #8
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I bought a 10th gen NUC, and it runs Debian fine, after getting newer kernel and firmware. The one you mention is 8th gen, and should run with the stock Buster kernel. You should have few issues with it. Debian with any desktop environment should run fine on an 8th gen box. I bought the newest I could find, because I intend for it to be the last computer I buy, and i was willing to jump through some hoops to get it working. But with the one you're considering, you should be able to get it up and running easily enough. I suggest the LiveCD version of the installer, because it seems easier, and it works well. It detected my networking hardware easily, and installed without issues. I haven't used the KDE version, but installation should be identical regardless of the DE you chose to install. I think the Xfce DE is more like earlier Windows versions, like XP or Win7, but it's entirely a matter of personal preference. If you're used to KDE, I see no reason not to use it.

That particular model seems expensive for what it is. I paid a good bit less for my 10th gen system, by buying a barebones NUC and buying a 500GB SSD and 16GB of RAM separately and installing them myself. It required a screwdriver, but I have many of those. It ain't rocket science. You're a couple of years older than I, but only a couple, so I have no doubt you can handle it. Or pay someone local to do the work. It's a 5 minute job including having a cuppa, so don't pay a fortune if you do.

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Old 09-05-2020, 10:34 PM   #9
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I bought a 10th gen NUC, and it runs Debian fine, after getting newer kernel and firmware. The one you mention is 8th gen, and should run with the stock Buster kernel. You should have few issues with it. Debian with any desktop environment should run fine on an 8th gen box. I bought the newest I could find, because I intend for it to be the last computer I buy, and i was willing to jump through some hoops to get it working. But with the one you're considering, you should be able to get it up and running easily enough. I suggest the LiveCD version of the installer, because it seems easier, and it works well. It detected my networking hardware easily, and installed without issues. I haven't used the KDE version, but installation should be identical regardless of the DE you chose to install. I think the Xfce DE is more like earlier Windows versions, like XP or Win7, but it's entirely a matter of personal preference. If you're used to KDE, I see no reason not to use it.

That particular model seems expensive for what it is. I paid a good bit less for my 10th gen system, by buying a barebones NUC and buying a 500GB SSD and 16GB of RAM separately and installing them myself. It required a screwdriver, but I have many of those. It ain't rocket science. You're a couple of years older than I, but only a couple, so I have no doubt you can handle it. Or pay someone local to do the work. It's a 5 minute job including having a cuppa, so don't pay a fortune if you do.
Hello again, long time no speak, hope all is well at your end.

I am restricted with my setup here, the GEN 10 will not fit under my monitor and I read somewhere that it is generally more noisy. Can you please send me a link to what is your model now?. Is it noisy?

I am going for 1TB storage and 16GB RAM, in hope too - this to be my last computer. I am a helicopter mechanic in my past and in the last 20 years building and flying RC Model aiplanes, so, screwdrivers don't scare me... Yes, I aim for an empty box and will take 5 minutes as you say to fill it up.

My main concern is, I am new to Linux and have no idea about Kernel and firmware etc... All what I managed so far is to burn an ISO file on a USB stick and boot up from it. When you say LiveCD, do you mean an actual CD or a USB stick is fine?

In my last attempt, I created a bootable USB stick with a kubuntu Plasma 20.04 and it failed on my desktop and on my laptop (resulting and loosing my 2 Windows machine in one afternoon... never mind) It started the installation and failed on both machine with an error that it couldn't write some file on my local storage.

So, I thought, can't be that both machines have a hardware fault at the same spot - must be the USB installation itself. So, I used my Ubuntu 20.04, performed the installation without any problem on my current Intel NUC and on my Microsoft Laptop without any problem, then loaded on top of that the KDE Plasma and all is good, the machine however is old and seems to hear up.

I would have liked to install KDE Plasma from scratch, but I don't have a good USB for this....

Looking forward to your feedback
Alex
 
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I was a helicopter pilot, and often got my hand slapped by mechanics for using screwdrivers. I did build up a fair inventory of screwdrivers and wrenches, though, because if I found one on preflight, it was mine.

The 10th gen is the same size as the earlier ones, same box, just the latest CPU. I got mine from Newegg. intel-bxnuc10i7fnk1. The 8th gen version is here: intel-blknuc7i7 This is likely to be more compatible and easier to install. To get the 10th gen model running I had to manually download the backported version 5.7 kernel and firmware. It wouldn't start the desktop, just went to a recovery terminal. If you don't know what you're doing, it can be dodgy to do that. The 8th gen is not that much older, and not much less capable, AFAIK, and should install and run easily enough.

The installer is called LiveDVD, but you can dd it to a USB drive, just like any of the other installers. It just requires a larger capacity USB stick. 4GB is fine though. It has the main packages onboard, and IMO is a little easier to use than the barebones netinstall .iso installers. Otherwise, it works identically. Debian KDE LiveDVD installer I haven't run Ubuntu in years, so I'm not really familiar with what they offer. I've been on Debian for so long I don't want to change. It just works. Debian stable doesn't have the newest and shiniest software, but it doesn't break. You should be able to run the installer and forget about it.

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Old 09-05-2020, 11:57 PM   #11
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I was a helicopter pilot, and often got my hand slapped by mechanics for using screwdrivers. I did build up a fair inventory of screwdrivers and wrenches, though, because if I found one on preflight, it was mine.

The 10th gen is the same size as the earlier ones, same box, just the latest CPU. I got mine from Newegg. intel-bxnuc10i7fnk1. The 8th gen version is here: intel-blknuc7i7 This is likely to be more compatible and easier to install. To get the 10th gen model running I had to manually download the backported version 5.7 kernel and firmware. It wouldn't start the desktop, just went to a recovery terminal. If you don't know what you're doing, it can be dodgy to do that. The 8th gen is not that much older, and not much less capable, AFAIK, and should install and run easily enough.

The installer is called LiveDVD, but you can dd it to a USB drive, just like any of the other installers. It just requires a larger capacity USB stick. 4GB is fine though. It has the main packages onboard, and IMO is a little easier to use than the barebones netinstall .iso installers. Otherwise, it works identically. Debian KDE LiveDVD installer I haven't run Ubuntu in years, so I'm not really familiar with what they offer. I've been on Debian for so long I don't want to change. It just works. Debian stable doesn't have the newest and shiniest software, but it doesn't break. You should be able to run the installer and forget about it.
Yes, I am concerned about installation problems, have no idea how to deal with it.
The machine I am looking at is NOT what you have, but this one

I am now comfortable with KDE Plasma and hope to be able to get a proper install USB from an ISO file.
The problems I expect are to do with Kernel and Graphic driver....

Cheers
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Well, if you must have the blue skull... You're also paying for Windows. I don't know what that costs these days, I guess a couple of hundred dollars. It's your money, so it should be fine. There should be no problems with the kernel or graphics. Intel is pretty vanilla. You may need firmware-misc-nonfree, but probably not much more. Nonfree just means the source code isn't freely available, not that it costs money.
 
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Well, if you must have the blue skull... You're also paying for Windows. I don't know what that costs these days, I guess a couple of hundred dollars. It's your money, so it should be fine. There should be no problems with the kernel or graphics. Intel is pretty vanilla. You may need firmware-misc-nonfree, but probably not much more. Nonfree just means the source code isn't freely available, not that it costs money.
No Windows. This box sells here without any OS, just hardware.
I have the iso file on a bootable USB stick, where does extra firmware come into the equation here?
If my USB is plugged into the USB port, where / how do I add the firmware?

Thanks
 
Old 09-06-2020, 04:59 AM   #14
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alex4buba,

The Intel NUC hardware is the same worldwide, so if SimplyNUC in the UK offer Ubuntu as an option then it can be safely assumed it will work on your Australian hardware.
 
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alex4buba,

The Intel NUC hardware is the same worldwide, so if SimplyNUC in the UK offer Ubuntu as an option then it can be safely assumed it will work on your Australian hardware.
Just to be sure, I emailed the UK spec to the local distributor, will wait to their feedback

Cheers
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