This was done so that the average (ignorant) user installing Ubuntu would have a more secure system without them having to LEARN anything. I hated it then and now, but I do understand the reasoning behind the decision.

Checking a new install, a full install of Debian DOES prepare apt for updates. I am not sure what happened there, but that is easy enough to fix if you have full install media available. Just install APT from media and configure.

Sudo does not support an additional password system. It always uses the password of the user calling it. That user must be one allowed to USE sudo. If that has not been done during install, then only root can change those settings (using visudo, ideally). Sudo use on DEBIAN systems is not required, but it is recommended. It is dead easy to set up: the SECOND time. Like many things, it can be confusing if you are new to it.

It doesn't make the system more secure in any meaningful way, though. It always made more sense to simply not allow root to remote log in via telnet (haha, remember telnet from back then?) or ssh, or to allow root to do a graphical login by default.

sudo was and still is a great tool for given some users elevated rights to run specific programs. But confusing users with the idea that they're supposed to prepend administrative tools with "sudo" in general has just produced endless needless confusion.

Even a minimal install prepares apt. What happened was that this user has never used "su" before to log in as root. Logged in as a regular unprivileged user, typing "sudo apt-get update" didn't work. Also, typing "apt-get update" didn't work. Hasty conclusion? APT-GET ISN"T SET UP OMG!

It's just lack of familiarity with basic *nix usage.

Hi, Chris.

Simple reason is, these are the long-term supported 'stable' releases, based on the corresponding main-stream distro releases. Work is already well under way on the 7-series Pups, of which 6.9.9.9 is one of the 'beta' or RC3 releases.

The beauty of using the Pups is that they're so small, you can run half-a-dozen in the same space as one of the mainstream distros.

Have a look here, in the 'Puppy Projects' sub-forum:-

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/index.php?f=34

It'll give you some idea of just how many 'Puplets' are under development at any one time.


Mike.

Excellent information. I might add that they make the tools available for you to download and install pup, then use that as a base to develop your OWN pup spinoff or special pup build if you wish. They do most of the pup development WITHIN pup itself! Power for the developers translates into power for the users, in this case.

Our OP claims to have 20 years of Linux experience.
Still unable to differentiate between sudo and su. This has nothing to do with Ubuntu policies. IMHO starting out with a sudo-distro is OK. If sudo user is unable to learn there is also su then so be it, stay with sudo, less chances to do harm.

^
dont u see OP is trollin . . . ? ? ?

Possible: but here we do not assume TROLL until proven.

^ flaming debian when really it's all pebkac (and there's at least one more thread by OP that makes the same claim) ... going off-topic: personal opinion about distro XYZ instead of facts that wouls help solve the problem ...

how much more proof do you need?

Thank you for the replies,

Very sorry for the melt down. I was working on a computer, installing debian on two of mine, watching a documentary on TV, getting phone calls, texts one after another, been on the computer all evening, had to get ready for a trip in the morning, forgot debian was not just like mint/ubuntu (that's what they say on there boards).

Since it was getting late, I remembered if it gets that way, just shut down and come back after your calmed down.

Very sorry, will not do that again.

I wanted to have the right dvd for my computer, so I downloaded the debian-live+nonfree dvd. I tried to install it, but it asks for a user name and password. None of the live user names or passwords work. I found on the debian forums it is a problem since 2013.

When it loads, my HD light is full for a few minutes, unlike other live discs.

Can't install from the disc, no way to log in to get to the "install debian." I like to use it for a few minutes, then install it. That's why I like "live" CDs.

Guess since I know I'll install it, I could DL the install disc+nonfree. Was hoping the install was not different then the live installer.

I have a older mans tablet I have to set up this afternoon, then go out of town early tomorrow.

I am sorry I got carried away, didn't mean to make anyone mad. I was so excited to have debian on my main desktop. Other then the distored screen, panel problems, I love the look and feel of debian. I'm going to lean it.

Why does the debian live + nonfee CD have a username and Password?

Thank you very much,
Chris.

I haven't used the installer in probably a decade. But I seem to recall that if you just push enter when prompted and leave the field blank, that it does something desireable. If you actually put in a user and password, I hope you remember what your first attempt was and if capslock was enabled.

Thank you. I did try that. I burnt a few more discs. Finally got one to work. Installing as I type (other computer). Going good. I like the installer. I only burnt one disc. I can't believe it wanted me to install the other discs with a almost 4GB install.

I like the debian installer with the not live.

Chris.

Went all the way throught the install. Got to the end and got this;

I read you could install it with one disc. Maybe not.

Chris.

I tend towards the net install, but really debootstrap installs (linux in linux via chroot). But I was on dialup probably a decade longer than I should have been. Not for folks who don't like / don't know the command line though. But this method has the advantage of using any supported filesystem, and installing all the needed firmware (like for your wifi card) before your first boot. Plus you can do said install on another machine as long as the CPUs are of the same processor type. Additional perks of installing debian from a running ubuntu system, and vice versa. Although installing 14.04 with upstart is a bit tricky from a systemd based distro.

In theory you can. But it depends on which GUI you choose. Back in the CD days if you chose anything other than gnome you needed other disks. IceWM which is what I used back then was on disc 2, and KDE was like disc 4 it was soo massive (probably still is) back then. The base OS and gnome was disc 1, but if you needed GCC and tools those were disc 2. That was back in the CD days though. Then jigdo came out and you could create your own disc(s) with just the packages you use. Caveat, you pretty much have to already be running said system. And easier said than done.

Didn't mention I took Linx 225 in College and got a B. No, not trolling. I will give a response this evening and show how my words are being twisted here.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Chris.