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Old 09-07-2005, 01:32 AM   #1
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Help Me Build a GNewbie Box!


hi all,

i'm a GNewbie and i want my next computer to be GNewbian/Linux only. I want to spend about $600. My goals are as follows:

1. have a decent computer.
2. i want the hardware to work reasonably transparently with linux (no voodoo to get stuff working).
3. i want a video card with dvi primarily b/c i have amonitor with two inputs, one being dvi. i want to toggle between my GNewbian box and my server box. i'm not a big gamer, but a reasonable picture would be nice.
4. i think i want to implement raid1.
5. i'm looking for reasonable quality components.
6. wireless isn't too big a dealnow b/c this box will be cabled to my router... but it might not be down the road so i'd appreciate some wireless usb adapter suggestions.

i will probably install redhat linux just b/c companies seem to be more comfortable with red hat and i need to learn more about how it works. my older boxes will likely be running debian.

basically, i'm lookin gfor suggestions. what motherboard is good in this price range. i'm targeting a p4 2.8 ghz set up, but if amd can beat intel in "value" at a similar level, i'd be happy to go amd. what hds work well? etc...

tia...
 
Old 09-07-2005, 07:42 AM   #2
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Go to: http://buildorbuy.net/ & look at the links labelled 'A', 'B', & 'C'.

Be warned, this guy is still designing for XP & only runs GNU/Linux (Ubuntu or SimplyMEPIS?) on his older machines. This means you are going to have to do your own research into the obvious potential problem areas like modem, video card, etc.

Assuming you don't need a new mouse, kbd, or monitor, I think you can pare his selections down to the $600 price tag you want. If you aren't ready for a 64-bit processor, older specs are at: http://buildorbuy.net/jwhinery/

I have known Joe for about 5 years & use his specs as the starting point for any new box I build.

You say "toggle between my GNewbian box and my server box", are you planning to buy a KVM?
 
Old 09-07-2005, 03:47 PM   #3
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You say "toggle between my GNewbian box and my server box", are you planning to buy a KVM?
thanks for the tip - i'll check it out. i wouldn't mind going 64 bit as long as it doesn't cause lots of problems while running linux.

i wasn't planning on buying a kvm. my monitor has two inputs - one for regular video (is it vga?) and one for dvi. i want to plug in both computers and allow the monitor to toggle betwen the two. if it won't, i'll probably be unplugging cables at the monitor level... until i get tired of it, of course. then i'll get a kvm... -lol-
 
Old 09-07-2005, 03:55 PM   #4
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an option for accessing your server could be some SSH/XDMCP thing if your server runs linux already. The only consideration I would consider for Linux compatability are what chipsets are being used. Anything else is usually beyond the scope of linux itself.
 
Old 09-07-2005, 04:02 PM   #5
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to clarify, i plan to use fedore core 4 on this box - and i'm hoping it is similar enough to red hat enterprise so i can move that direction at work.
 
Old 09-08-2005, 12:46 AM   #6
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i checked out buildorbuy.net and this is what he recommends...

Case Athenetech A747CC.300
Case P/S CoolerMaster RS430-PMSR
CPU Athlon 64 3000+ ADA3000BPBOX (939)
Floppy Mitsumi D359M3D
Hard Drive Maxtor 6B080M0 80GB $62.00
Hard Drive Maxtor 6B080M0 80GB $62.00 (i'd like to set up raid1)
Memory Kingston (2) 256 Meg Sticks $54.99
Modem Lucent 56K $8.50
Mother Board Giga-Byte GA-K8NS Ultra 939 $109.00
Speakers Altec Lansing SPK-VS2121W $36.99
Video Card Giga-Byte VD-GV-R955128D $57.95

the total is just under $620.

are there any fedora core 4 linux killers (as in bad thing) here?

also, what is the usb network adapter that likes to play the best with linux?

tia...
 
Old 09-08-2005, 05:10 AM   #7
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Much better setup if you do not mind spending $100 more.
TEAC Beige 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy
Western Digital Caviar WD800BB 80GB 7200 RPM IDE
U.S. Robotics USR5686E 56Kbps External Fax Modem
ABIT AV8
GIGABYTE GV-N62128DE Geforce 6200 128MB DDR
SeaSonic S12-430
Crucial 512MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (CT6464Z40B.8T)
AMD Athlon 64 3000+

I do not recommend Maxtor drives as desktop drives because they use more processor resources than Hitachi or Western Digital. The external 56Kb modem is better to use in Linux than internal 56Kb modems. The Seasonic model S12-430 will give you a quiet operation even at full load. It is also efficient and gives you extra wattage to upgrade in the future. A 1 GB of memory should work well. The GIGABYTE GV-N62128DE Geforce 6200 will be noiseless because it does not need a fan. A TEAC floppy disk drive is more reliable than other brands. The Athenatech A747 case looks ugly and old.

If you want to use wireless NIC, buy a wired to wireless bridge. The bridge is independent, so software is not needed to make it work. I do not recommend wireless NIC for desktops because it is useless and does put a burden where you put it because of hot and cold spots. Wired networks are easier, safer to setup (low risk in security), and keeping it running.

Gentoo Linux is much better distribution than others. Everything is compiled to ease the upgrading. Package based distributions like Redhat, Mandrake, Fedora, Debian, Mepis, Slackware, and many others will have trouble upgrading. Compiling programes is the only way to go when using Linux as a desktop system. Gentoo uses a program database called Portage to help people download and upgrade their programs. It provides a utility called emerge to install programs.
 
Old 09-08-2005, 02:31 PM   #8
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Much better setup if you do not mind spending $100 more.
TEAC Beige 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy
Western Digital Caviar WD800BB 80GB 7200 RPM IDE
U.S. Robotics USR5686E 56Kbps External Fax Modem
ABIT AV8
GIGABYTE GV-N62128DE Geforce 6200 128MB DDR
SeaSonic S12-430
Crucial 512MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (CT6464Z40B.8T)
AMD Athlon 64 3000+

I do not recommend Maxtor drives as desktop drives because they use more processor resources than Hitachi or Western Digital. The external 56Kb modem is better to use in Linux than internal 56Kb modems. The Seasonic model S12-430 will give you a quiet operation even at full load. It is also efficient and gives you extra wattage to upgrade in the future. A 1 GB of memory should work well. The GIGABYTE GV-N62128DE Geforce 6200 will be noiseless because it does not need a fan. A TEAC floppy disk drive is more reliable than other brands. The Athenatech A747 case looks ugly and old.

If you want to use wireless NIC, buy a wired to wireless bridge. The bridge is independent, so software is not needed to make it work. I do not recommend wireless NIC for desktops because it is useless and does put a burden where you put it because of hot and cold spots. Wired networks are easier, safer to setup (low risk in security), and keeping it running.

Gentoo Linux is much better distribution than others. Everything is compiled to ease the upgrading. Package based distributions like Redhat, Mandrake, Fedora, Debian, Mepis, Slackware, and many others will have trouble upgrading. Compiling programes is the only way to go when using Linux as a desktop system. Gentoo uses a program database called Portage to help people download and upgrade their programs. It provides a utility called emerge to install programs.
thanks for the tips! gentoo sounds really nice, but i think i'm stuck with redhat because that is a name that will make my potential customers the most comfortable. i *need* to learn the RH "tweaks" at home so i don't learn in front of my customers.

maybe i'll dual boot my current winxp box with gentoo to see it at work. it sounds like its ease of use has made you quite a fan.

i do web based, open sourced database application work now, but i'd like to include FOSS migration consulting, too. maybe gentoo would be good for desktops in an office environment.

so much stuff to learn!
 
  


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