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Old 01-08-2010, 09:07 PM   #16
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Wonderful news: 64 bit detects it perfectly, and ubuntu 9.10 is being installed as we speak! I should post it on the bug report you linked me to.
 
Old 01-09-2010, 01:23 AM   #17
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Well done BTW.

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I can't dual boot to anything that I can't update to grom 6.06. The installer, and the entire system itself, make no mention of any attached storage except any ide Drives. Please note that I can currently run the system fine. It just runs in a different kernel, the one that doesn't run the installer.
No installed system uses the same kernel as the installer.
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Also, I did list which kernel I was using. It is the only one in the entire 8.04 list that says 686 in it, rather than kernel generic.
Which requires me to go find an 8.04 disk and hunt through it for the i686 kernel package to find out which kernel that was. OR you can just read the numbers off the menu item. In mine: 2.6.24-24.38-generic is the only kernel there.

Those numbers in the front are very important. If you look through these forums for posts where kernel hijinks are being discussed, they are always provided.

To complicate matters, not all Ubuntu install disks for the same release are the same. I know of three iterations of 8.04
8.04.0, 8.04.1, 8.04.2 - I do not know if the kernel version differs between them.

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fdisk -l shows only my cdroms and floppy, no others mentioned.
This should never show your CD rom drive. you also need to run this as admin (sudo fdisk -l) if you want to see internal hard drives.

This is where it is important to copy and paste output with the commands - it is the only way I, or anyone else, can be sure of what you are doing.

When you are asking for help, make it as easy as possible for the other person to help you.

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It seems that my computer can only see hard drives when it runs a 686 kernel. Do you know of a way to force it to always do so?
It will always do so if that is the kernel you install, and add as default boot in grub.

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Is 686 anything to do with 64-bit or am I completely off? Maybe I just need to run the 64-bit versions of ubuntu!
Way off

At the dawn of the microcomputer age, the intel 8086 was king. Development picked up with the 80286, rapidly followed by others.

When linux started out, it was platform-specific to the intel 80386 CPU. That was all a long time ago.

Most processors are more recent than intel 80686 - and marketing has stopped using those numbers.

The 686 kernel is compiled to be optimised for recent 32 bit CPUs - though there is little different from the -generic one.
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ub...st/019983.html

In recent builds (since 6.10), linux-686 has been depreciated into the linux-generic anyway.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=421406
... so it is very surprising that an i686 kernel appears in your 8.04 install disk.

The difference, for you, between generic a 686 versions will be that the 686 version does not try to detect the cpu architecture to use. Since "detecting stuff" is your issue, this may explain why you had success with the specialised kernel.

- and I see you tried the 64 bit version with great success. Well done.

Yes, you should certainly add this observation to your bug report - and any others you notice. I'm glad you replied here with the success result - far too many people just vanish at that point.

This would be the first time I have heard of a 64 bit machine failing something in 32 bit - so it is not something that people would naturally try.
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Also, I don't have access to the pc very often, so it's hard to get outputs....
It follows that you should reply with copy/paste when you have access to the machine. Trying to go from memory inbetween times is not going to help anyone.

It's all right, we understand.
 
Old 01-10-2010, 12:16 AM   #18
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One more thing I should probably test, but I won't really bother unless anyone really wants me to.
What I know.
amd64 works
x86_64 works faster (a little)

What I don't (and probably never will)
whether i686 works.
 
Old 01-10-2010, 02:47 PM   #19
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Anyways, now I am using sabayon, the 64-bit version. Everything ran out of the box, no installations needed for anything. Also, as I predicted, I need the 64-bit version of any distro. I tested with the bluewhite64 live dvd and it ran with hds just fine.

Something strange: your comment showed up in my email, but not in the forum itself...

Anyways, I hope this can help someone else! I've been having this problem for about a year, and until now had no solution but to run 8.04. 9.10 is still slow for me though (probably since this computer is 5 years old) and sabayon runs great!

Thanks for all of your support. It is much appreciated.
 
Old 01-12-2010, 09:29 PM   #20
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Hmm, something new. simplyMEPIS 64 bit doesn't detect it, but my fedora 32-bit liveDVD does, which leads me to believe it's the 686 thing. To test I'm downloading arch 32 bit 686. i hope that 686 is what's needed rather than 64 bit, as 32 bit is better supported.
 
  


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