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Old 08-21-2014, 02:31 PM   #1
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hard drive won't boot


Looks like I'm stuck with a non-useable hard drive, but while no effective answers elsewhere thought someone knowledgeable of hardware might have a helpful suggestion.
Messed-up my hard drive by trying a loopback procedure which didn't work, and now whenever have completed a new full install on this hdd, with everything going smoothly right up to final re-boot, the screen that comes after this 'booting from hard drive' has nothing on it but a flashing cursor. Have tried full wipe [seemed to just make it worse -- less on boot-up screen from previous just 'grub loading, please wait'; but never loading], and several re-installs, but after move to the hard disk from install disk, just get nothing.
Any thoughts at all greatly appreciated.
 
Old 08-21-2014, 03:28 PM   #2
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I doubt you can mess up a drive by that. Might have gone bad on it's own.

I'd be tempted to run smart tests or get the OEM diags and run them.

Might also run memtest for a day.

Grub loading may be some issue with a damage to the first part of the drive. It might be fixable.
 
Old 08-21-2014, 03:50 PM   #3
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It's surprising that would happen on a machine with only one operating system if you accepted all the defaults during the install. Is this one of the Ubuntu derivatives? Did you do an mbr or GPT install?
 
Old 08-21-2014, 07:31 PM   #4
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The blank screen with flashing curser in all of the installs that I've done, was due to graphics driver. What OS are you running? Also do you know which graphics card the machine uses
 
Old 08-25-2014, 05:45 PM   #5
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Am using openSUSE; video card is Vesa-Vega [Twinhead], and VGA chip is ATI; did all installs: default, mbr, separate boot partition, and just /.
Do believe is now damage to first part of drive [on some 'rescue disks' ended with 'x not found, kernel panic'], but how do you fix it???
 
Old 08-26-2014, 02:42 PM   #6
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Did you run smart tools diags from the OEM?
 
Old 08-26-2014, 05:44 PM   #7
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OEM never provided smart tools or even made repair or maintenance manuals available, or even a simple schematic; they insist all help must come from authorized service providers -- at high cost.
 
Old 08-26-2014, 08:35 PM   #8
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What OS are you installing?
Do you have a live-cd?
If so post output of
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cat /var/log/messages
 
Old 08-27-2014, 03:04 PM   #9
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I mean OEM like hard drive maker. Example would be seagate drive, go to seagate web site and get diags. If not then get generic drive diags or use linux diags.
 
Old 08-27-2014, 04:48 PM   #10
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Looks like I'm stuck with a non-useable hard drive, but while no effective answers elsewhere thought someone knowledgeable of hardware might have a helpful suggestion.
Messed-up my hard drive by trying a loopback procedure which didn't work, and now whenever have completed a new full install on this hdd, with everything going smoothly right up to final re-boot, the screen that comes after this 'booting from hard drive' has nothing on it but a flashing cursor. Have tried full wipe [seemed to just make it worse -- less on boot-up screen from previous just 'grub loading, please wait'; but never loading], and several re-installs, but after move to the hard disk from install disk, just get nothing.
Any thoughts at all greatly appreciated.
You can look at these links for useful tools;
Quote:
-- Tools LiveCD:
GParted <- LiveCD partition & disk tools
UBCD <- Ultimate Boot CD
FreeBSD LiveCD
Linux LiveCD Router
Plus these are some useful Recovery & diagnostics;

Quote:
Recovery & Diagnostic:
Howto Reboot or halt Linux system in emergency <- 'This is quite useful when Linux based system is not available after boot or after a X server crashed ( svgalib program crashes) or no display on screen.' + Good read
Slax Downloads <- LiveCD, useful recovery tool - Your Pocket OS + Slax FTP
(R)ecovery (I)s (P)ossible <- RIP SlackwareŽ Linux rescue system
UBCD Ultimate Boot CD <- 'UBCD allows users to run floppy-based diagnostic tools from most CDROM drives on Intel-compatible machines, no operating system required. The cd includes many diagnostic utilities.'
TRK <- Trinity Rescue Kit + 'Aims specifically at recovery and repair operations on Windows machines, but is equally usable for Linux recovery issues.'
Knoppix STD 0.1 <- Security & Recovery Tool + Knoppix STD description
SystemRescueCd <- 'is a Linux system on a bootable CD-ROM for repairing your system and recovering your data after a crash. It aims to provide an easy way to carry out admin tasks on your computer, such as creating and editing the partitions of the hard disk. It contains a lot of system utilities (parted, partimage, fstools, ...) and basic tools (editors, midnight commander, network tools).' + 'Online-Manual
TestDisk <- 'tool to check and undelete partition, supports reiserfs, ntfs, fat32, ext2/3 and others' + Above Livecds contain TestDisk + TestDisk Wikipedia + wiki + Data Recovery using TestDisk
PhotoRec, Digital Picture & File Recovery <- 'PhotoRec is file data recovery software designed to recover lost files including video, documents and archives from Hard Disks and CDRom and lost pictures (thus, its 'Photo Recovery' name) from digital camera memory. PhotoRec ignores the filesystem and goes after the underlying data, so it will still work even if your media's filesystem has been severely damaged or re-formatted'+ After Using PhotoRec + PhotoRec Wiki
Hope this helps.
Have fun & enjoy!
 
Old 08-27-2014, 04:58 PM   #11
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Will work on the diags; using openSUSE OS; using live and system repair disks, have tried to obtain a grub prompt for a manual boot -- but can't do it.
Live disk [freespire, repair disks, etc.] either just give same blinking cursor as previous, or get nowhere until 'kernel panic'.
Trying: mkdir /mnt/sda4 then: mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/sda4 gives response 'bad superblock on /dev/sda4 -- missing codepage or helper program or other error'.
Trying: mkdir /mnt/temp then: mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/temp gives response 'sda4 is write protected, mounting read only' then: chroot /mnt/temp gives 'failed to run ?/bin/bash? no such file or directory
Trying: chroot /mnt/sysimage gives 'no such file or directory'
Trying: mkdir /mnt/sda4 then: mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/sda4 then: grub-install --root directory~/mnt/sda4 /dev/sda gives response 'can't with a parameter; use grub-install.unsupported [get: no such file or directory] or call "yast2 bootloader" [get: no such file or directory].

The fact that even live cd can't get booted [but install disk can; and repair disks can] so can press ESC and "c" for a Grub prompt, shows how bad off this hard disk's lead-in is.
Will concentrate now on getting the diags [believe it is an hitachi, but will remove and double check.
Also will try to get that UBCD Ultimate Boot cd.

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Old 08-27-2014, 05:26 PM   #12
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With 1 OS I doubt you have a /dev/sda4. Try /dev/sda1
 
Old 08-28-2014, 03:28 PM   #13
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"The fact that even live cd can't get booted"

Run memtest. Be sure to make note of amount of ram mentioned in test. Is it correct?
 
Old 08-28-2014, 05:41 PM   #14
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I typically install 11 or 12 partitions; sda4 would be Extended; my laptop uses cartridges into which you place the hard drives so can swap them in and out in seconds, and no problem when using other hard drive in this laptop, and ram is fine.Am going to make floppy and burn the linux option for that downloaded hitachi smart tool and see if info helps.
Thanks for all the attention; has certainly been a learning experience.
 
Old 08-28-2014, 06:02 PM   #15
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You still wouldn't mount the extended you would mount the partitions within it.
 
  


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