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Old 06-10-2021, 10:44 PM   #31
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OK, so how does he install NMS in his wine and get past the 32/64 bit issue?
He's not installing NMS 'in his wine' - Steam is providing a per-application prefix for Proton, and managing the entire fiasco behind the scenes. If the game has 'official' SteamPlay support (not many do, but some do) this process has already been tested and tuned (like a Lutris install script), otherwise its at least providing an appropriate prefix for the application based on knowing whether or not the application is x86 or x64 at the front-end (since its installing the application too). It is a much less painful process than 'gaming in wine' although you give up some of the out-of-box tweakability of dealing with wine directly on the other hand (for example running another exe inside the same prefix takes a bit of hacking on it). It's impossible to say if issues with local install at this point are related to misconfiguration or the Intel GPU, since the Intel GPU is almost certainly incompatible (if not outright blacklisted).
 
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Old 06-11-2021, 05:30 AM   #32
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since the Intel GPU is almost certainly incompatible (if not outright blacklisted).
In fact it is on the 'Compatible' list or I would not have bought that processor.
 
Old 06-11-2021, 06:19 AM   #33
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In fact it is on the 'Compatible' list or I would not have bought that processor.
So you can keep the price of a Nvidia card in your pocket for the moment.

@obobskivich: Thanks for the explanation. It seems like you're swapping one can of worms (with which I had become familiar, for a slightly smaller one I haven't a clue about.
 
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So you can keep the price of a Nvidia card in your pocket for the moment.
Not really as I cannot yet get the Intel GPU working.

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Old 06-13-2021, 07:43 PM   #35
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@obobskivich: Thanks for the explanation. It seems like you're swapping one can of worms (with which I had become familiar, for a slightly smaller one I haven't a clue about.
Very much so - it also is meant to be more 'behind the scenes' or 'automatic' and has its own peculiarities (e.g. it has its own forks, like the GE builds), which can sometimes hinder customization. The flip side of that is that in many cases it does 'just work' or does so with minimal user intervention, which is a great improvement over where gaming on linux was just a few years ago. None of this is as 'straight' as running an exe in Windows, but again, big improvement over even recent history.

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Not really as I cannot yet get the Intel GPU working.
Where did you see the Intel chip on the official suported list? The system requirements I found from the game's Steam page indicated a GeForce GTX 480 or Radeon 7870 or higher, and made no mention of Intel graphics. The performance summary article I linked also implied neither of those cards would have a good chance at running the game, and nothing Intel has ever shipped would even approach that level of performance.
 
Old 06-14-2021, 03:13 AM   #36
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So, as someone who is not a gamer, I know he needs X drivers, but does he need any gaming changes in wine, or does that just do a passthrough?
 
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Where did you see the Intel chip on the official suported list? The system requirements I found from the game's Steam page indicated a GeForce GTX 480 or Radeon 7870 or higher, and made no mention of Intel graphics. The performance summary article I linked also implied neither of those cards would have a good chance at running the game, and nothing Intel has ever shipped would even approach that level of performance.
https://www.game-debate.com/games/in...o%20Mans%20Sky

650 stated so expected 750 would be suitable.

But, never mind, I have what I have and cannot now change it.

Assistance in getting it working would be appreciated.
 
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650 stated so expected 750 would be suitable.
Where is the 650 stated and what specifically is stated against it?

Because the only Intel UHD options I see are 620 and 630, and the compatibility checker says the 630 is not enough:

https://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=9193&game=No+Mans+Sky&p_make=Intel&p_deriv=Core+i7-11700K+8-Core+3.6GHz&gc_make=Intel&gc_deriv=UHD+Graphics+630&ram=16&checkSubmit=&processor%5B%5D=2224&grafcar d%5B%5D=376&ram_totalMem=8&game%5B%5D=9193
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To summarise, the UHD Graphics 630 fails to meet the very basic performance needs
 
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I just looked at the Intel cards on that link. Most of them suck. It's a list of everything Intel made. But I think you should get your present card going, and then subjectively assess whether it's good enough for you. That's what matters. There may be other bottlenecks that limit your experience - like getting the game going at all.
 
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So, as someone who is not a gamer, I know he needs X drivers, but does he need any gaming changes in wine, or does that just do a passthrough?
With Proton it should work more or less out-of-box (or not) and any 'changes' will be passed via Steam's 'Launch Options' (this is in the GUI - right click on the game itself in the 'Library' view and input whatever under 'Launch Options') and are (hopefully) documented on protondb - I've never had to engage with something like winetricks when using Proton.

Valve's github has more information about Proton and various launch options flags:
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/
(I believe the language about 'being in Beta' is outdated, either that or its just a forever Beta like most Google services)

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This is not an official source. That website could be generously described as clickbait.

From the Steam Store page for the game, this is what you get:
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MINIMUM:
Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system
OS: Windows 7/8.1/10 (64-bit versions)
Processor: Intel Core i3
Memory: 8 GB RAM
Graphics: nVidia GTX 480, AMD Radeon 7870
Storage: 10 GB available space
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Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system
This mirrors what is available from the official website, here:
https://hellogames.zendesk.com/hc/en...-run-the-game-

And what GoG (another game reseller) states, which can be viewed here: https://www.gog.com/game/no_mans_sky


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But, never mind, I have what I have and cannot now change it.

Assistance in getting it working would be appreciated.
It may not be possible with the Intel GPU - it does not appear on the official system requirements, and as I said previously many games outright blacklist Intel GPUs, and the Intel GPUs do not appear on the system requirements.

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I just looked at the Intel cards on that link. Most of them suck. It's a list of everything Intel made. But I think you should get your present card going, and then subjectively assess whether it's good enough for you. That's what matters. There may be other bottlenecks that limit your experience - like getting the game going at all.
I'm not sure if it can be made to 'get going' with the Intel iGPU - and even if it could, it would be an awful experience if the performance review I linked is anything to go by (ditto for using the officially suggested minimum GPUs).
 
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I must say I never expected the OP to be satisfied with any Intel card really.

But as he showed such a poor understanding of things, I didn't want him forking out for a card until he got some action going.
 
  


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