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Old 07-19-2011, 02:37 PM   #1
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Fried 2 SATA: Bad mobo or bad luck


1. Used WD1200 broken after a months usage. Clicks, and BIOS read only 8.##gb of storage when I last was able to connect it.
2. New WD3000JS began corrupting data during transfers to and from memory/drives after a month and a half's usage.
After running diagnostics, both Western Digital and HP's DPS Diagnostics state to replace the drive. Ran diagnostics from another computer and had failed while repairing bad sectors.
3. Using 40g Seagate ST340014AS for a few weeks now, no issues.
4. Will be receiving a WD3200AAJS soon.

Question: Is there any parts of the Smartctl or Hdparm info that can be used to analyze what may be causing this issue, and hopefully catch it before the WD3200AAJS breaks if it happens again?

[ Older stuff that I originally wrote that should not be needed. ]

I've been using a 40g seagate hd for some time now and haven't had any problems, but I have attempted to use a WD1200 and WD3000JS which the WD1200 just clicks and the WD3000JS will corrupt data during transfers, but only if it's on for a few minutes or more. I had also read reports of the cables causing issues, so I had replaced the older cable while using the WD3000JS, so I'm certain it can't be a cable problem.

After running diagnostics from WD and the HP DPS diagnostics both give errors that the WD3000JS needs to be replaced. Also running memtest shows no errors.

Other info on the two failed hd's. WD1200 (used), lasted a month. Slow corruption, was able to backup easily. WD3000JS (new), lasted a month and a half. Quick corruption, could only save a few things. (Had backups, so wasn't a big loss in data).

Anyhoo, I just recently purchased a WD3200AAJS, which hopefully will work longer...

Either way before I receive it and plug it in, is there anything I should specifically check through smart/hdparm in hopes to possibly catch a problem before the drive fails?

Also, just in case here's some info on my system that I "think?" may be helpful.

lspci
Code:
00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation N10/ICH7 Family SATA IDE Controller (rev 01) (prog-if 8f [Master SecP SecO PriP PriO])
	Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 3010
	Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 19
	I/O ports at 20d0 [size=8]
	I/O ports at 20e8 [size=4]
	I/O ports at 20d8 [size=8]
	I/O ports at 20ec [size=4]
	I/O ports at 20b0 [size=16]
	Capabilities: [70] Power Management version 2
	Kernel driver in use: ata_piix
MOBO: 380356-001
PSU: 365w

SATA ports: 0 Blue, 2 Light Blue, 1 White, 3 Orange (Do colors really matter?)
SATA hd: Seagate ST340014AS

SATA power: One set of Yellow+Black+Red+Black+Orange wires with two hd connectors.

BIOS settings...
(First options are the current settings that were used with all three hd's.)
Code:
Storage >>
     Device Configuration >>
          Hard Disk
               Emulation Type : Hard Disk | None
               Multisector Transfers : 8 | 16 | Disable
          Translation Mode : Automatic | Bit Shift | LBA Assisted | User | Off
          IDE/SATA
               Multisector Transfers : (Same as above)
               Transfer Mode : Ultra DMA 0 | (etc)
               Translation Mode : (Same as above)
     Storage Options >>
          BIOS DMA Data Transfers : Enable
          SATA Emulation : Separate IDE Controller | Combined IDE Controller
          IDE Controller : Enable
          Primary SATA Controller : Enable
          Secondary SATA Controller : Enable

Power >>
     Hardware Power Management >>
          SATA Power Management : Enable

Advanced >>
     INTEL HD Audio Device : IRQ 11
     " USB Contr. : IRQ 5
     " USB Contr. : IRQ 10
     " USB Contr. : IRQ 11
     " USB Contr. : IRQ 11
     " USB Contr. : IRQ 5
     " IDE Contr. : Enable
     " SATA Contr. : IRQ 5
     Nvidia VGA Contr. : IRQ 11
(I'm certain all this is unnecessary, but eh, what do I know? Not much obviously. )

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Old 07-19-2011, 05:14 PM   #2
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Hi,

3 Hard drives on a 365W PSU??

Very questionable. Size the system and peripherals power needs. Size a new power supply (PSU) with the system sizing specs as you want it to be configured.

If you have another system then check your drives on that. Or get a external case that is self powered to test the drives.
 
Old 07-19-2011, 05:59 PM   #3
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Hi,

3 Hard drives on a 365W PSU??

Very questionable. Size the system and peripherals power needs. Size a new power supply (PSU) with the system sizing specs as you want it to be configured.
Woops! Poor wording on my part. Only one drive will be in use, but will keep the 40g plugged in for insurance for a couple of months.

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If you have another system then check your drives on that. Or get a external case that is self powered to test the drives.
Thinking about it, I don't know if I had done this yet. I know I had the drive plugged into another computer, but I don't remember running any diagnostics...Well...Going to do it now before I forget again...
 
Old 07-19-2011, 06:39 PM   #4
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Hi,

Even adding just one drive to the mix, two drives on a 365W PSU will be close to limit. 380356-001 motherboard, HP? Give us some specs to help diagnose.

FYI: I suggest that you look at 'How to Ask Questions the Smart Way' so in the future your queries provide information that will aid us in diagnosis of the problem or query.
 
Old 07-19-2011, 08:58 PM   #5
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Hi,

Even adding just one drive to the mix, two drives on a 365W PSU will be close to limit. 380356-001 motherboard, HP? Give us some specs to help diagnose.
3.0ghz Intel CPU +Hyperthreading
2x1gb KVR66702N5 1.5v mem.
1 IDE CD-ROM drive
1 NVidia 8400GS 1gb Graphics card
(Only 1 of either) 120gb SATA Drive, or 300gb SATA Drive, or 40gb SATA Drive.
3 Fans, one CPU, 1 Case, 1 GPU.

Future: Possibly will be running a 320gb SATAII and use a USB-IDE adapter for backups, or keep the 40g Seagate for use as home directory for no longer than two months.

lspci, complete.
Code:
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ/P/PL Memory Controller Hub (rev 02)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ/P/PL PCI Express Root Port (rev 02)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 1 (rev 01)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 2 (rev 01)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 01)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 01)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 01)
00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 01)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 01)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev e1)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GB/GR (ICH7 Family) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 01)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) IDE Controller (rev 01)
00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation N10/ICH7 Family SATA IDE Controller (rev 01)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G98 [GeForce 8400 GS] (rev a1)
3f:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5752 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 01)

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Old 07-19-2011, 09:25 PM   #6
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Old 07-20-2011, 06:25 AM   #7
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Hi,

Even adding just one drive to the mix, two drives on a 365W PSU will be close to limit. 380356-001 motherboard, HP? Give us some specs to help diagnose.
I disagree.....sort of.

365watts is tons, for some systems-

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cas...m-wattage.html

Modern HDDS dont draw that much power-

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/sto..._15.html#sect0

People tend to vasty overestimate power requirements.

That said, a quick look shows me that the ICH7 was mainly used on intel 9XX chipset boards. They can use CPUs from P4 through Pentium dual core to Core 2 Duo.

I wouldnt be worried about running a 3GHZ Core2Duo with 3 HDDs on a (good quality) 365watt power supply . I would be worried about a P4 or pentium dual-core with 365watts though. With it being a 945 chipset board and a 3GHZ CPU, its probably a P4 or pentium dual core CPU, not core 2 duo.

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SATA ports: 0 Blue, 2 Light Blue, 1 White, 3 Orange (Do colors really matter?)
SATA hd: Seagate ST340014AS
No, the colour doesnt matter, but the controller does.

ICH7 has a maximum of 4 SATA ports, so to have 6 SATA ports on ICH7 you must have an addon SATA controller chip. A lot of the addon chips provided on motherboards are basicly junk. If've your hooked up the HDD to an addon SATA controller chip, that could be causing your problems.

BTW, even then I'm a bit confused. 3 different colopured ports? I'd like to know more about the system to be honest. I'd appreciate it if you posted your lshw readout (make sure that you do it in su or sudo).
 
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Hi,

Yes, modern SATA do not use that much power. Yet we were not given system specifications. His nVidia GPUdraws around 70W. The motherboard and other subsystems should be sized therefore specifications could be set in order to size the correct PSU.

Most system manufactures do size the system to have effective specs yet keep costs down. No over sizing done.

A good 400W PSU is different than a 365W. Doesn't look like much difference but if the system has the original PSU then that difference would be monumental when upgrading or adding subsystems. Let alone efficiency for a newer PSU as compared to older design styles.

I do agree we are guessing as to the motherboard & CPU specs. It does look like a P4 but if we had specifications for the system then recommendations could be suggested. Just shooting in the dark now.
 
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I disagree.....sort of.

365watts is tons, for some systems-
That's what I had hoped and thought. I had read through hundreds of sites on the net before even purchasing the 300gb hd and graphics card.

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That said, a quick look shows me that the ICH7 was mainly used on intel 9XX chipset boards. They can use CPUs from P4 through Pentium dual core to Core 2 Duo.
Quote:
Originally Posted by onebuck
I do agree we are guessing as to the motherboard & CPU specs. It does look like a P4 but if we had specifications for the system then recommendations could be suggested. Just shooting in the dark now.
I must have equated all 3.0ghz processors with PIV. The only thing I can find through the specs that might be useful is Socket 775, 945G. Max processors PIV 670, Intel Celeron D346, Intel Pentium D 950. The specs I've found do not seem to be this board though, dc7600 CMT. That one only has 2 SATA ports, where as this one has 4. Unfortunately, I've been searching for quite some time and haven't found any specific specs for this particular mobo. (However, many sites that sell the dc7600 claim it as a PIV, so I presume it is that).

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I wouldnt be worried about running a 3GHZ Core2Duo with 3 HDDs on a (good quality) 365watt power supply . I would be worried about a P4 or pentium dual-core with 365watts though. With it being a 945 chipset board and a 3GHZ CPU, its probably a P4 or pentium dual core CPU, not core 2 duo.
Just reread through my post, memory and what I actually said are two different things here (Way too often I think I reread something when in fact I didn't). Anyway, I will be using only one hard drive. I do not need a lot of space, and actually could of only used an 80gb hd for everything. However, if I was going to spend $30 - $40 for a HD I might as well spend the same amount or a little more for a larger one which is why I will attempt to use the 320g. The only reason I was going to use the 40g Seagate with the newer one was because I don't have any problems with it, so I was going to only use it temporarily for a backup if the 320 failed.

I was considering dividing the 320 up into 3 partitions, Swap, Home, Root (Which wouldn't be used). That way since swap is written to during heavy usage, the drive would be written to on a regular basis, though from what I've viewed through htop/free it wouldn't be very often, but having my home directory would at least be used often and I would create a temporary user for that purpose. Then after two months, if there are no problems with the hard drive, then I will remove the Seagate and only will be using the 320g hd.

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BTW, even then I'm a bit confused. 3 different colopured ports? I'd like to know more about the system to be honest. I'd appreciate it if you posted your lshw readout (make sure that you do it in su or sudo).
I think the last time I used lshw was with Vector about two years ago. I've only used "cat /proc/cpuinfo", lspci, and dmesg to get system info. Also, I've never really used or studied hard drive info because I haven't ran into problems with hard drives like this before. I've only had two hard drives fail on me ever, other than these two SATA's. One 3##mb (pins got damaged during storage) and an 8##mb hd that just got too old, 7 to 10 years old when it finally bit the dust. So I haven't learned how to get info on what drives/controllers/etc are being used.

Anyway, hopefully this is more to your comprehension now. I am sorry for being so confusing, unfortunately, I am extremely good at thinking, just horrible at speaking. I do know I am confounding, as well as extremely, extremely forgetful (Which from now on I'll just start putting my threads into General non nix forum because very few of them are of any help because of this)...Anyway, Sorry again...

<Edit> I really don't want to go through the hassle of taking my CPU fan off, so hopefully cpuinfo is enough in this case...Fingers crossed...
Code:
processor	: 0
vendor_id	: GenuineIntel
cpu family	: 15
model		: 4
model name	: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
stepping	: 3
cpu MHz		: 2992.653
cache size	: 2048 KB
physical id	: 0
siblings	: 2
core id		: 0
cpu cores	: 1
apicid		: 0
initial apicid	: 0
fdiv_bug	: no
hlt_bug		: no
f00f_bug	: no
coma_bug	: no
fpu		: yes
fpu_exception	: yes
cpuid level	: 5
wp		: yes
flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc pebs bts pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est cid cx16 xtpr
bogomips	: 5985.30
clflush size	: 64
cache_alignment	: 128
address sizes	: 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:

processor	: 1
vendor_id	: GenuineIntel
cpu family	: 15
model		: 4
model name	: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
stepping	: 3
cpu MHz		: 2992.653
cache size	: 2048 KB
physical id	: 0
siblings	: 2
core id		: 0
cpu cores	: 1
apicid		: 1
initial apicid	: 1
fdiv_bug	: no
hlt_bug		: no
f00f_bug	: no
coma_bug	: no
fpu		: yes
fpu_exception	: yes
cpuid level	: 5
wp		: yes
flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc pebs bts pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est cid cx16 xtpr
bogomips	: 5983.79
clflush size	: 64
cache_alignment	: 128
address sizes	: 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:
<Edit II>
I just found that I still have my old smart info from the WD3000JS in Dropbox, so if you think there might be something there it's here.

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Old 07-22-2011, 09:32 AM   #10
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Yes, modern SATA do not use that much power. Yet we were not given system specifications. His nVidia GPUdraws around 70W. The motherboard and other subsystems should be sized therefore specifications could be set in order to size the correct PSU.
More like 32-35watts maximum-

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...er,2122-4.html

I've seen a few other power consumption figures for the 8400GS that agree with that, I'll dig them up if anybody cares.

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Most system manufactures do size the system to have effective specs yet keep costs down. No over sizing done.

A good 400W PSU is different than a 365W. Doesn't look like much difference but if the system has the original PSU then that difference would be monumental when upgrading or adding subsystems. Let alone efficiency for a newer PSU as compared to older design styles.
Yeah, the 'tier one' manufactuers tend to not leave much excess power for adding parts.

As far as the actual power goes, theres not that much difference between a 365watt and a 400watt power supply...if we are comparing appels to apples. A lot or the power suppleis you get in tier one manufactuers systems are junk, they might not have ever ben able to supply the wattage they are rated at when new. Given a few years of degradation, that 365watt power supply might now be down to 300watts max, with major ripple problems if you go over 200-250watts...

Quote:
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I think the last time I used lshw was with Vector about two years ago. I've only used "cat /proc/cpuinfo", lspci, and dmesg to get system info. Also, I've never really used or studied hard drive info because I haven't ran into problems with hard drives like this before. I've only had two hard drives fail on me ever, other than these two SATA's. One 3##mb (pins got damaged during storage) and an 8##mb hd that just got too old, 7 to 10 years old when it finally bit the dust. So I haven't learned how to get info on what drives/controllers/etc are being used.
lshw is actually what I was after- it will give you the exact motherboard model, and the exact CPU model. Its a worthwhile tool, and nothing to be sacred of.

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<Edit> I really don't want to go through the hassle of taking my CPU fan off, so hopefully cpuinfo is enough in this case...Fingers crossed...
Code:
processor	: 0
vendor_id	: GenuineIntel
cpu family	: 15
model		: 4
model name	: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
stepping	: 3
cpu MHz		: 2992.653
cache size	: 2048 KB
physical id	: 0
siblings	: 2
core id		: 0
cpu cores	: 1
apicid		: 0
initial apicid	: 0
fdiv_bug	: no
hlt_bug		: no
f00f_bug	: no
coma_bug	: no
fpu		: yes
fpu_exception	: yes
cpuid level	: 5
wp		: yes
flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc pebs bts pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est cid cx16 xtpr
bogomips	: 5985.30
clflush size	: 64
cache_alignment	: 128
address sizes	: 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:

processor	: 1
vendor_id	: GenuineIntel
cpu family	: 15
model		: 4
model name	: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
stepping	: 3
cpu MHz		: 2992.653
cache size	: 2048 KB
physical id	: 0
siblings	: 2
core id		: 0
cpu cores	: 1
apicid		: 1
initial apicid	: 1
fdiv_bug	: no
hlt_bug		: no
f00f_bug	: no
coma_bug	: no
fpu		: yes
fpu_exception	: yes
cpuid level	: 5
wp		: yes
flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc pebs bts pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est cid cx16 xtpr
bogomips	: 5983.79
clflush size	: 64
cache_alignment	: 128
address sizes	: 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:
Looks like a Pentium Dual to me.

I dug this up-

http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs...olesalers.html

That explains your strange SATA ports post (SATA ports: 0 Blue, 2 Light Blue, 1 White, 3 Orange).

I was really thrown by the ordering of the numbers, and '0 blue'. Looks like you meant port numbers (#0 = blue, #1 = white, #2 = light blue, #3 = orange).

So no flaky addon SATA chip.

I'd try changing SATA cables, maybe use a different port and (yes, laugh all you want, esp. you onebuck) and getting a decent power supply.

If the problem happens again, you've possibly got a dodgy intel SATA controller. Its not common, but it does happen.
 
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As far as the actual power goes, theres not that much difference between a 365watt and a 400watt power supply...if we are comparing appels to apples. A lot or the power suppleis you get in tier one manufactuers systems are junk, they might not have ever ben able to supply the wattage they are rated at when new. Given a few years of degradation, that 365watt power supply might now be down to 300watts max, with major ripple problems if you go over 200-250watts...

If the problem happens again, you've possibly got a dodgy intel SATA controller. Its not common, but it does happen.
That sounds like a lot of what I had read, and feared, . Eh, if needs be, then needs be. At least I tried, though.

Quote:
I dug this up-


http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs...olesalers.html

That explains your strange SATA ports post (SATA ports: 0 Blue, 2 Light Blue, 1 White, 3 Orange).

I was really thrown by the ordering of the numbers, and '0 blue'. Looks like you meant port numbers (#0 = blue, #1 = white, #2 = light blue, #3 = orange).

So no flaky addon SATA chip.
Yep, that looks like my board.

Quote:
I'd try changing SATA cables, maybe use a different port and (yes, laugh all you want, esp. you onebuck) and getting a decent power supply.
Already done that, so the cable "should" not be a problem.


Quote:
Its not common, but it does happen.
Actually, from what I've read the past few weeks (which is why I wrote here), either WD has made some dodgy HD's/firmware and I've had the good fortune of buying them only, user error, or it is fairly common. A lot of people have had these same problems or worse. Again, this is why I was hoping there was a way to test the drive while it's running and possibly catch the problem, but as I've read issues with the mobo are almost always impossible to diagnose.

Quote:
lshw is actually what I was after- it will give you the exact motherboard model, and the exact CPU model. Its a worthwhile tool, and nothing to be sacred of.
I didn't think any software could do that? Either way I'll definitely have to look into it then.


Quote:
Looks like a Pentium Dual to me.
What I've read states that if each core shows "siblings 1" and "cores #of cores", then it's multi core, but if it shows "siblings #" and "cores #", then it's hyperthreading. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...l-core-656986/, this is just one of the many places I've read about that.

Anyway, thanks.

P.S

Quote:
More like 32-35watts maximum-

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...er,2122-4.html

I've seen a few other power consumption figures for the 8400GS that agree with that, I'll dig them up if anybody cares.
Just out of sanities sake, where do you find these wattages/voltages at on specs pages? While hunting down the specs for the graphics cards and a few other things I couldn't find these things anywhere. I had to revert to hunting down people asking these questions in order to find that info.

<Edit>

Most likely candidate for CPU is a Prescott 630 @ 84w, WD3200AAJS @ 0.73w => 5.36w (Sleep => Read/write)
Haven't found anything on mobo, BIOS, CD-Rom, and memory.

So far, that totals to ~160 watts.

<Edit 2>
Also, another thing I should have made note of some time ago. Both of the drives that failed have these bumps all over the black plating where the circuit board doesn't cover. The really odd thing is, is that the bumps on both are almost identical in position and spread except the WD1200 has a lot more of them than the WD3000JS. None of my other IDE drives and the new WD3200AAJS has them.

<Edit 3>
After running with the new drive for 15 minutes I didn't notice anything through smart except the temperature, but from the specs it's good up to about 60C, so 41 to 42 is not bad. Though around 50 minutes I got this diff.

# diff smart-after-15-minutes-uptime.txt smart-after-50-minutes-uptime.txt
Code:
13c13
< Local Time is:    Fri Jul 22 23:15:23 2011 CDT
---
> Local Time is:    Fri Jul 22 23:48:37 2011 CDT
61c61
<   9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
---
>   9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       1
67c67
< 194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   102   102   000    Old_age   Always       -       41
---
> 194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       43
71c71
< 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x0032   200   253   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
---
> 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
After googling up UDMA_CRC_Error_Count, I think this is one of the things I'll want to keep an eye on. (Although! Oddly enough my old WD3000JS smart file I have doesn't show any problems with the UDMA_CRC_Error_Count...So maybe it's not important...

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Minor correction on what I posted above- I should have said 'pentium d' not 'pentium dual'.

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Already done that, so the cable "should" not be a problem.
Probably isnt that if you have already changed cable.

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Actually, from what I've read the past few weeks (which is why I wrote here), either WD has made some dodgy HD's/firmware and I've had the good fortune of buying them only, user error, or it is fairly common. A lot of people have had these same problems or worse. Again, this is why I was hoping there was a way to test the drive while it's running and possibly catch the problem, but as I've read issues with the mobo are almost always impossible to diagnose.
You might have been caught with dodgy firmware, but I'd doubt it.

The problem with looking on the internet for solutions to problems is that no matter what the part is, if there is any real number that have been sold there is always someone who has had problems.....

I haven seen the WD drive tools tell me that I had a dodgy controller at least once, but it was so long ago that I cant remember much in the way of details.

BTW, I know this could sound a bit silly, but if you've been havign that much bad luck with WD and the seagate is runnign 100%, considered just buying seagates?

I tend to use AMD CPUs, WD HDDs, pioneer or asus DVD-RWs. I rarely have problems. One of my friends, if he buys a AMD CPU, it _always_ goes wrong. Somebody else I know, if they buy a WD HDD, the drive always dies far earlier than if they get samsung. I dont know if its gremlins, luck, or just some sort of cosmic joke. But I have the (totally unverifiable) idea that some people dont 'get along' with some brands of hardware.

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I didn't think any software could do that? Either way I'll definitely have to look into it then.
lshw sure can, here is what it gives me for the system I am using now (edited to remove excess readout)-

Code:
*-core
       description: Motherboard
       product: GA-770T-USB3
       vendor: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
       physical id: 0
*-cpu
          description: CPU
          product: AMD Phenom(tm) II X2 550 Processor
If you run lshw in normal user mode you get less readout-

Code:
*-core
       description: Motherboard
       physical id: 0
*-cpu
          product: AMD Phenom(tm) II X2 550 Processor
Theres whole boat-load of programs that will tell you exact motherboard model, CPU model, etc.. with windows.

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What I've read states that if each core shows "siblings 1" and "cores #of cores", then it's multi core, but if it shows "siblings #" and "cores #", then it's hyperthreading. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...l-core-656986/, this is just one of the many places I've read about that.
Wow, I'm lazy. I just check the hardware, or in BIOS, or lshw. I've never even thought to finding a way to check if the CPU is running hyperthreadings from command line....

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Just out of sanities sake, where do you find these wattages/voltages at on specs pages? While hunting down the specs for the graphics cards and a few other things I couldn't find these things anywhere. I had to revert to hunting down people asking these questions in order to find that info.
Honestly, how I find them is a bit of searching magic. If you know the right search term, you can find almost anything. Its been helped by me spending far to long looking at power consumption figures, and having an idea of the sites that will have the numbers up.

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Most likely candidate for CPU is a Prescott 630 @ 84w, WD3200AAJS @ 0.73w => 5.36w (Sleep => Read/write)
Haven't found anything on mobo, BIOS, CD-Rom, and memory.
The 630 is rated at 84watts TDP, and TDP is not power consumption. Intel tends to give TDP figures below max power consumption, AMD tends to give TDP figures that are closer to the max power consumption.

The 630 would really be using more like 130watts at full load-

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...umd-820_3.html
 
Old 07-23-2011, 12:21 PM   #13
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BTW, I know this could sound a bit silly, but if you've been havign that much bad luck with WD and the seagate is runnign 100%, considered just buying seagates?

I tend to use AMD CPUs, WD HDDs, pioneer or asus DVD-RWs. I rarely have problems. One of my friends, if he buys a AMD CPU, it _always_ goes wrong. Somebody else I know, if they buy a WD HDD, the drive always dies far earlier than if they get samsung. I dont know if its gremlins, luck, or just some sort of cosmic joke. But I have the (totally unverifiable) idea that some people dont 'get along' with some brands of hardware.
I say it's a Cosmic joke. I touch any of my sisters/parents computers, they die/freeze/etc, I just look at any one of our computers here and they're fixed. Something goes wrong, just touch it...My wife has started yelling at me whenever that happens. Hah.

As for buying Seagate over WD, 1 I thought about it; 2 GOTO 1;. Actually though, I couldn't find that many to choose from in the price range I needed. We had a wifi router and a graphics card for another computer that needed to be replaced which was the only reason I was even able to get the hd.

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lshw sure can, here is what it gives me for the system I am using now (edited to remove excess readout)-
I did note that it didn't return much info on the CPU, but what it did return was enough to narrow it down to one of three different makes. Thusly, I was able to pinpoint the 630 because it was the only 3.0ghz model. However, it is still far better than trying to read from lspci, cpuinfo, etc...

Either way, it's something I'll keep on my comp from now on...


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Honestly, how I find them is a bit of searching magic. If you know the right search term, you can find almost anything. Its been helped by me spending far to long looking at power consumption figures, and having an idea of the sites that will have the numbers up.
A rite if it's not right. Seriously though, there have been times I've sat before my computer on Google like a gambler before a slot machine. As well as there have been times I've done a search for a term to do a search for a search, recursion at it's worse (xkb comes to mind)...

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The 630 is rated at 84watts TDP, and TDP is not power consumption. Intel tends to give TDP figures below max power consumption, AMD tends to give TDP figures that are closer to the max power consumption.

The 630 would really be using more like 130watts at full load-

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...umd-820_3.html
I've added this bit of info to the HCL here...
http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/sh...p?product=3050

Thanks for everything cascade. I've got a lot more to think about, , and it has helped me to know what I'll need to work on the next time I can.
 
  


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