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Old 09-09-2008, 04:47 PM   #16
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farslayer, there is no such thing as SATA II and this is what sata.org have said too. There are SATA 1.5 Gb or SATA 3 Gb. Though manufactures are using names for SATA to refer to different generations like they did for IDE even though the naming is not industry standard like 1.5 Gb and 3 Gb.
Electro, there's no such thing as sata.org, its http://sata.org (Not to mention the site is unreadable and looks to have nothing to do with SATA hard drives) You probably mean http://serialata.org

No need to be nitpicky, farslayer has a point. I have seagate drives that have jumpers where you take them off to enable 3.0Gb/s and put it on to force 1.5Gb/s
 
Old 09-09-2008, 09:45 PM   #17
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Sorry Electro.. I didn't mean to piss in your post toasties, chill out dude...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_...TA_II_Misnomer
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The 3.0 Gbit/s specification has been widely referred to as "Serial ATA II" ("SATA II" or "SATA2"), contrary to the wishes of the Serial ATA International Organization (SATA-IO) which defines the standard. SATA II was originally the name of a committee defining updated SATA standards, of which the 3 Gbit/s standard was just one. However since it was among the most prominent features defined by the former SATA II committee, the name SATA II became synonymous with the 3 Gbit/s standard, so the group has since changed names to the Serial ATA International Organization, or SATA-IO, to avoid further confusion.
Same thing referred to under a different name. Not technically correct, but still the same darn thing.
 
Old 09-09-2008, 09:45 PM   #18
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The Seagate SeaToolsDOS207EURO.iso burned DVD shows in the short test of the ST31000340AS the popup:

"Short Test FAILURE
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A failure was detected during the short test.
It is suggested that the LONG test be run to perform a
more complete test of the drive."

Its long test reports "Testing LBA 9689" (I selected [Skip this one only]) and "Testing LBA 3276957" (I selected about 100 times [Skip this one only]) and SeaTools froze. I restarted the computer and in the long disk test on the first reported problem selected the [Repair this one and ALL remaining] button, and waited (no disk accesses). Then only [Ctrl][Alt][Delete] worked and the LOG file ended with "starting the LONG test".

My positive Seagate experience was its "advanced replacement option (ARO)". For additional $20, Seagate ships the replacement disk the next day by second day air. Computer Brain, Inc. sold me this broken drive and never responded to my reported problems. I'll repeat this $20 Seagate ARO deal a few times until I get a replacement Seagate disk which passes the long DOS SeaTools test. Anybody still believes Seagate's claim of an ST31000340AS "Annualized Failure Rate" of 0.34%? (http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.js...qTab=TechSpecs)

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Old 09-09-2008, 10:12 PM   #19
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Wasn't Seagate taken over by Maxtor? Maxtor doesn't have the best reputation either.
 
Old 09-09-2008, 10:59 PM   #20
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Wasn't Seagate taken over by Maxtor? Maxtor doesn't have the best reputation either.
Opposite, seagate 'acquired' Maxtor. I have always had seagates and never had a problem. Once in awhile someone gets a bad drive (from seagate, WD, or any other). If they send you a new one and it works fine then all is well.

Did you check the jumper settings?
 
Old 09-10-2008, 01:22 AM   #21
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Electro, there's no such thing as sata.org, its http://sata.org (Not to mention the site is unreadable and looks to have nothing to do with SATA hard drives) You probably mean http://serialata.org

No need to be nitpicky, farslayer has a point. I have seagate drives that have jumpers where you take them off to enable 3.0Gb/s and put it on to force 1.5Gb/s
Sorry that I posted the wrong address.
 
Old 09-10-2008, 07:16 AM   #22
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All vendors end up shipping a few drives that show up DOA. you never know what could have happened to the drive in shipping. (you did watch Ace Ventura Pet detective right ? The scene where he's the Package delivery guy ? heh) All electronics can be subject to infant mortality component failures, nothing new, and certainly not something that will ever go away completely. I've had rather good results with Seagate products and their warranty replacement has always been relatively hassle free. There are certain other vendors I do avoid.

I would say since the drive failed the seatools test it is indeed defective. While a hassle I would rather have it fail out of the box, then a month down the road when all my data is on it. (trying to look on the bright side )

0.34% X <number of drives shipped> = ? that could be quite a few drives..

Sorry about your luck, but at least you know for certain the drive is the culprit.
 
Old 09-13-2008, 06:05 PM   #23
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The first Seagate ST31000340AS was obviously DOA (but it partly worked). An additional $20, and Seagate supplied a "Certified Repaired HDD" replacement. "Seatools for DOS v 2.07PG" reports, its short and long tests passed. CentOS 5.2 loads. So my problem is solved. Many thanks for the help!

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Old 09-13-2008, 06:13 PM   #24
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The first Seagate ST31000340AS was obviously DOA (but it partly worked). An additional $20, and Seagate supplied a "Certified Repaired HDD" replacement. "Seatools for DOS v 2.07PG" reports, its short and long tests passed. CentOS 5.2 loads. So my problem is solved. Many thanks for the help!

-- Reinhard
They charged you $20? How long ago did you buy it?
Seagate has a 5-year warranty.
 
Old 09-14-2008, 01:00 PM   #25
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The $20.00 was for advanced replacement, so they will ship the replacement before they receive the bad drive.

Alternately you can typically supply a credit card for the new drive which they won't charge if the y get the old one back withing7-10 days.

The $20.00 was not a fee for the new drive or warranty repair.
 
Old 09-15-2008, 11:00 AM   #26
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The $20.00 was for advanced replacement, so they will ship the replacement before they receive the bad drive.

Alternately you can typically supply a credit card for the new drive which they won't charge if the y get the old one back withing7-10 days.

The $20.00 was not a fee for the new drive or warranty repair.
Oh ok, lol, all makes sense now.
 
  


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