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WiseDraco 03-09-2014 04:46 AM

creative labs audiocards and linux - two questions
 
Hello!
have a two questions: first - there is no good solution of awesfxload: no memory for patch set bigger than 16 Mb?
there,as i understand, is a explanation of causes of this for soundblaster live 5.1 (emu10k1 ) cards:
sfxload: no memory left

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...fx/+bug/183456

encounter that problem righ now - after i chaqnged system to x64 ( from slackware 14.0 to slackware64 14.1, and change RAM from 3 Gb to 4 Gb). i can load 8 mb soundfont ok, but when i try to load a 52 Mb one (WeedsGM3.sf2) i got that error message about "no memory left". on an old config with 3 gb ram and 32bit slackware that soundfont lods ok....?
there is no good workaround for large soundbanks in x64 and more than 4 gb RAM?

and second question: what is with current creative soundcards and linux - like as SoundBlater Audigy FX, soundblaster x-fi extreme, Audigy Rx, Sounblaster Z ?
what's better?
i want also wavetable sound (MIDI), as so what's about soundbanks load with this cards, and soundbanks format?
linux support?

thanks in advance...

Drakeo 03-10-2014 03:15 AM

Draco please read my post to your other question. I have been down your road many times with multimedia problems. Please take time and learn to configure your cards sir. That SB card has been around a long time. you have a nvidia graphics card with hdmi that will push sound. also is selecting it as slot=0 then you have a SB sound card it is set to slot=1 then you have a onboard hda-intel please go to this reply http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ce-4175497387/ and work it out there. trust me been down this road Sir. As for the memory problem did you see the date on that bug and what kernel and firmware. :)

WiseDraco 03-10-2014 01:00 PM

do a bit investigation in problem, and found Audigy Rx is best choice there - it have an emu10k2 DSP, 64 voice WT synthesis, good operational amplifiers, and works good with headphones. also it have pci-express bus, who is good for future, because in newest chipsets no more PCI support.
sound blaster Z is without DSP, audigy Fx also looks "software card".
as i understand, snd_emu10k1 alsa module support 10k2 DSP also, as so there must be ok in linux.
for an about ~55eur price it looks very good candidate -Audigy Rx . remember, years ago i purchased Gravis Ultrasound PnP for about 200+ USD and be very happy :)

cascade9 03-18-2014 04:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiseDraco (Post 5131415)
and second question: what is with current creative soundcards and linux - like as SoundBlater Audigy FX, soundblaster x-fi extreme, Audigy Rx, Sounblaster Z ?
what's better?
i want also wavetable sound (MIDI), as so what's about soundbanks load with this cards, and soundbanks format?

You can figure out if most of the creative cards are supported from the alsa page-

http://www.alsa-project.org/main/ind...-Creative_Labs

Its _very_ hard to figure out some of the versions. Probably the best source is the sound blaster wiki page-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Blaster

As for 'whats better', not creative LOL. They are still making stupid chips/cards, and rebranding like there is no tomorrow. I could get them doing resampling 10 years ago, even though I didnt like it. But to be releasing cards now that are still doing resampling in 2013....comon creative.

I'd get a asus xonar before any of the creative cards. But I'm not sure about MIDI with them, or with current creative cards either for that matter.

WiseDraco 03-20-2014 02:41 AM

i purchased Rx some days ago, and already tested it. and even write small howto on slackware wiki.
all in all - not a bad card - works with hardware midi and soundbanks ( if want larger than 16 mb banks in some configurations - need to recompile kernel). it is cheap, sound looks good for me, and it have hardware midi - it is important for me.
in other aspects - yes, theoretically it resempling, but i do not hear any bad artefacts from resampling, when listen my .flac from "the fountain" audiocd.
there is some evidences, that looks like for me, an audigy rx redesigned DSP have the same 31 vs 32 bit memory addressing bug, as first emu10k1 chip ( from Live - introduced more than 10 years ago!), but apart of that i not found any problems / bugs for now. and card cost about 53 euro - very cheap, if compare with prices on SB AWE32 / Gravis Ultrasound in its times...
i can say, i was satisfy with that card at this moment, in general. if there is working large soundfonts loading from the box, then all was very excellent.....

business_kid 03-22-2014 02:53 PM

I'm in electronics, (Not strictly PCs) and I got to investigate the Creative Soundblaster card I "Had to get" according to my kids. It was all dsp tricks, and lacked any real sound hardware. Drivers were huge, and slowed the system in windows. The document in the kernel on what it could not do was lengthy and stark.

The kids ended up taking it out, throwing it there, and sticking in an old Opti card which I was humbly asked to configure in linux for them. I'm glad they have improved to the point where somebody considers them useful.

WiseDraco 03-24-2014 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by business_kid (Post 5139432)
I'm in electronics, (Not strictly PCs) and I got to investigate the Creative Soundblaster card I "Had to get" according to my kids. It was all dsp tricks, and lacked any real sound hardware. Drivers were huge, and slowed the system in windows. The document in the kernel on what it could not do was lengthy and stark.

The kids ended up taking it out, throwing it there, and sticking in an old Opti card which I was humbly asked to configure in linux for them. I'm glad they have improved to the point where somebody considers them useful.


very unclear and strange post.
firstly - there is a lot of "Creative Soundblaster" cards - Soundblaster 1.0, 2.0, Pro, AWE32, AWE64, Live!, Live! 24 bit, and about ten+ another models.
DSP is part of "real sound hardware", and not all creative soundblaster cards have a DSP.
in a short, i think, your post is very unhandly. i write about soundblaster audigy Rx. it's looks good card with emu10k2? DSP, and good sound ( to me).
there is also howto about all that ( based on slackware experience)
http://docs.slackware.com/howtos:har...aster-live-5.1


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