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09-02-2021, 07:13 AM
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CPU Stall when trying to boot Linux
I'm having problems trying to use Linux. My PC is a HP Pavilion TG01-2856no (released this year) so it is pretty recent hardware, but that isn't my problem.
This time I tried NixOS, and I finally got to access the journal, which hopefully gives some useful information. There was a lot of them, and I didn't really know which ones to include so I just included the ones that seem to contain the most information. Here they are : https://ibb.co/album/9wMM0p They are photos, I couldn't copy-paste them since I couldn't get the system to start.
This only seems to happen when systemd is enabled on boot. Using a kernel argument like 'init=/bin/bash' works, but installing without systemd is a pain
I have tried using different USB stick, ISO burning software, different distributions, and multiple kernel arguments, such as nomodeset, noacpi.
I hope you can help me.
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09-02-2021, 01:23 PM
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Registered: Aug 2004
Location: Palo Alto, CA
Distribution: Fedora 8/9, Ubuntu
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Using /bin/bash as init means that almost nothing is running. It really doesn't say that systemd is the problem.
What is the out-of-tree module that taints the kernel?
At least one of the CPU stalls seems to be trying to change the power state.
Can you start in "single" mode? (Put "single" at the end of the kernel start up line.)
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09-02-2021, 01:47 PM
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LQ Veteran
Registered: Jan 2008
Location: florida panhandle
Distribution: Slackware Debian, Fedora, others
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add this to the linux line of the grub menu; pci=nocrs
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09-02-2021, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by eager
Using /bin/bash as init means that almost nothing is running. It really doesn't say that systemd is the problem.
What is the out-of-tree module that taints the kernel?
At least one of the CPU stalls seems to be trying to change the power state.
Can you start in "single" mode? (Put "single" at the end of the kernel start up line.)
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I can't start in single mode.
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09-02-2021, 03:15 PM
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Location: Palo Alto, CA
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You don't know how or start up fails? What happens?
What boot system are you using? Grub2?
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09-02-2021, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by eager
You don't know how or start up fails? What happens?
What boot system are you using? Grub2?
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I can't even install a bootloader. The ISO of the distro doesn't boot up, so I can't install anything.
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09-02-2021, 03:21 PM
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How are you able to override the init program?
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09-02-2021, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by eager
How are you able to override the init program?
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By editing the kernel boot arguments before launching the ISO.
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09-02-2021, 03:30 PM
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Well, edit the kernel boot arguments to add "single" at the end of the line. Also add "pci=nocrs" as suggested.
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09-02-2021, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by eager
Well, edit the kernel boot arguments to add "single" at the end of the line. Also add "pci=nocrs" as suggested.
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I did. They didn't work.
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09-02-2021, 03:43 PM
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Dragging details from you makes offering any help tedious.
Good luck.
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09-02-2021, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by eager
Dragging details from you makes offering any help tedious.
Good luck.
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What do you mean?
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09-02-2021, 03:49 PM
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I suggest you give MX Linux AHS a try because it doesn't use systemD but you have the option to to enable systemD if you desire. MX Linux AHS is for newer computers like yours. I recommend you try it as a live usb first and you can install it if it works for you. https://mxlinux.org/mx-linux-blog/
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09-03-2021, 02:48 AM
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Registered: Aug 2016
Location: SE USA
Distribution: openSUSE 24/7; Debian, Knoppix, Mageia, Fedora, OS/2, others
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Originally Posted by LeonScoretzka
I'm having problems trying to use Linux. My PC is a HP Pavilion TG01-2856no (released this year) so it is pretty recent hardware, but that isn't my problem.
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What data supports this assertion?
On what basis did you make this decision? The general rule is, if you're not heavily experienced with Linux, keep 6-9 months at least between release date of newest component, and release of the Linux distro selected. Your Rocket Lake CPU was released Q1 2021, so about 7 months old about now. Rocket Lake support reputedly wasn't complete until kernel 5.11, while NixOS was released with a 5.10 kernel. Unless you know for a fact that Rocket Lake support was included in the NixOS you tried, it's not surprising the results you're seeing. The data I found for your PC doesn't specify chipset, which could be newer still than your CPU. As openSUSE Tumbleweed currently provides a 5.13 kernel, it should make a good choice. Even though it's a "rolling release", each roll gets heavy QA testing, so TW is pretty stable. It has many regular users and a good support base. Several other distros on Distrowatch also sport kernels newer than 5.10. I recommend you try one.
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09-03-2021, 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by mrmazda
What data supports this assertion?
On what basis did you make this decision? The general rule is, if you're not heavily experienced with Linux, keep 6-9 months at least between release date of newest component, and release of the Linux distro selected. Your Rocket Lake CPU was released Q1 2021, so about 7 months old about now. Rocket Lake support reputedly wasn't complete until kernel 5.11, while NixOS was released with a 5.10 kernel. Unless you know for a fact that Rocket Lake support was included in the NixOS you tried, it's not surprising the results you're seeing. The data I found for your PC doesn't specify chipset, which could be newer still than your CPU. As openSUSE Tumbleweed currently provides a 5.13 kernel, it should make a good choice. Even though it's a "rolling release", each roll gets heavy QA testing, so TW is pretty stable. It has many regular users and a good support base. Several other distros on Distrowatch also sport kernels newer than 5.10. I recommend you try one.
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Arch Linux had a release just two days ago, and it ships with kernel version 5.13.13, but it didn't work. Fedora 35 has a beta release soon, so I'm going to try that one when it releases.
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