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05-20-2020, 04:19 AM
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Senior Member
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Location: Wild West Wales, UK
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Building a Linux PC using an AMD Ryzen 5 3400G CPU
For any non-gamer contemplating building a new Linux desktop PC with an AMD Ryzen CPU, I have made this short blog:
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...og.php?b=38257
Just to add that the benchmarks for these Ryzen CPUs are quite amazing.
I hope this is helpful to at least one other LQ member.
EDIT
Blog now includes an UPDATE on Realtek 8111H.
Last edited by beachboy2; 05-24-2020 at 05:33 AM.
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05-24-2020, 06:56 AM
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Location: Ireland
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Thanks for the link.
I have done this to myself on linux before, installing a newish all-AMD system. In my experience, the cpu was handy enough. It was the video was the agony. AMD was going through a trough, cutting a newly-formed linux software team. They have come on a lot since. When this laptop croaks it, I intend to do it again, following the 'Anything-But-Intel' principle. They abused their dominant position while they had it. For instance, they sold their (Pentium?) chips at exorbitant prices January - July one year, but in August they released a steady supply of Pentium MMX chips, with block copy Assembler instructions, for the same price. In short order, all software would need upgrading, all chips sold for gaming wouldn't run the latest software, etc.
Contracting fab to Samsung was a real step forward for AMD, and, for once it's Intel playing catch-up. I thought the nic was supported by RTL8168. The notes say
8111 = 8169 = 8411, all covered by the rtl8168.ko kernel module. Ubuntu will probably be a few kernel versions behind. You should build the latest git, and file a bug if it's iffy. I don't know much about 1G networks, except that it uses CAT 6 cabling and has distance rules. Your setup may not be 1G capable. I don't use my nic, and run on wifi. From what I know, I'd like ≤1G to be optical anyhow, although I think we'll be waiting there.
Last edited by business_kid; 05-24-2020 at 07:07 AM.
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05-24-2020, 10:47 AM
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business_kid,
I think the Realtek LAN will be okay running the r8168 driver, but in any event I have my trusty Intel EXPI9301CTBLK PRO1000 Network Card to fall back on.
Here are just a couple of comments about the Radeon Vega 11 graphics:
A lot of people don't realise just how far we've come with integrated graphics, the fact that you can even play some of these games at 1080p on low is astounding, and some older games on high as well.
Compared to Intel's UHD Graphics 630 found in the 8th and 9th Gen CPUs, the 3400G's Vega 11 graphics are typically 2 to 3 times faster. Where Intel's UHD 630 often struggles to break 30fps even at 720p and minimum quality, AMD's Vega 11 can legitimately handle 1080p and low to medium quality at playable frame rates.
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05-24-2020, 12:30 PM
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LQ Guru
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Location: Ireland
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That's good.
I was thinking of buying a decent AMD desk pc setup, and NEVER upgrading. We're on 7nm now, and some severe problems in physics begin to bite at 5nm, not to mention mechanical & tolerance issues. I gather the move is on to switch construction,in particular the design of transistor used A 7nm CPU may never go out of date, and if it does, who cares? I'm on a 2013 i3 twin core @ 2.4Ghz and not mining bitcoin or the like, and not really embarrassed for cpu power yet. I also have a RazPi 4, 4 core@1.5Ghz, and with a little attention to multi threading, that wouldn't be that embarrassed either.
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05-24-2020, 03:22 PM
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Location: Arizona, USA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by beachboy2
business_kid,
I think the Realtek LAN will be okay running the r8168 driver, but in any event I have my trusty Intel EXPI9301CTBLK PRO1000 Network Card to fall back on.
Here are just a couple of comments about the Radeon Vega 11 graphics:
A lot of people don't realise just how far we've come with integrated graphics, the fact that you can even play some of these games at 1080p on low is astounding, and some older games on high as well.
Compared to Intel's UHD Graphics 630 found in the 8th and 9th Gen CPUs, the 3400G's Vega 11 graphics are typically 2 to 3 times faster. Where Intel's UHD 630 often struggles to break 30fps even at 720p and minimum quality, AMD's Vega 11 can legitimately handle 1080p and low to medium quality at playable frame rates.
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If I remember correctly in reviews the performance of the Vega 11 was within SPITTING distance of a GTx 1050. Although that may have been the newer, faster Vega 8 in the 4000 series. CAn't remember for sure.
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05-25-2020, 04:33 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by business_kid
We're on 7nm now
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As usual, I realise after the send button was pressed that I'm speaking a lanugage nobody understands.
We're on 7nm wafer fab now. There are limits to how much smaller/faster things can get. I think the first effort was 5 µm; then 2 µm in the 1970s, followed by 1.2µm. It's been steadily advancing, but the machine cost has been rising. Smaller wafer fab is the key to faster/lower power components. Now we have APUs (CPU+GPU) on one wafer running at Ghz. In the 1990s 100Mhz was good.
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05-26-2020, 04:21 AM
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Senior Member
Registered: Jan 2007
Location: Wild West Wales, UK
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Occasional gamers can check out the performance of the Ryzen 5 3400G with onboard Radeon Vega 11 graphics when tested on 14 games:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwYoxyYH9Jc
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08-31-2020, 06:24 PM
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Hi beachboy2,
Thanks for your reply,
As I said yesterday I really appreciate your POST and have decided to "go-for-it".
So you know where I'm coming from my background in computers is I got my first IBM PC in 1986 dumped Windows in 1998 for Linux. Currently have been using a DELL Latitude E6510 for the last 10 years. General programming from basic to C to PHP and Database stuff, LibreOffice, email, and photo. No hardware knowledge to speak of. I did re-build a 1995 or so Gateway with new motherboard, memory, and hard drive etc. Know nothing about all the new gadgets.
In light of this I am hoping you would answer a few questions for me.
I bought the AMD Ryzen 3400G and a MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX CPU and Motherboard as described in your post. This gives LAN capability but no wireless. When I was at Best Buy the sales guy slipped an ASUS USB-AC53 NANO Wifi adapter on the order. When I got home and checked it out I find that it does not support Linux. Back today to cancel that item. The sales guy also ordered a H510 Compact Mid-Tower ATX Case Model CA-H510B-B1 which seems really big, at least in the box.
So I have been looking over the BrosTrend 1200 Mbps Linux USB 3.0 WIFI adapter and am wondering if this is better than getting a WIFI card to put in the case. In reading over the specs I am not even sure the above case will support an internal wifi card. I am not sure that I need that big a case. Any recommendations here on a different case?
Thanks in advance,
R
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09-01-2020, 02:23 AM
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Senior Member
Registered: Jan 2007
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pizzipie,
Something fairly basic like this Cooler Master N300 will do the job:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cooler-Mast...s_id=430498031
However, the NZXT H510 is a similar size and is a much nicer, more modern case with two SSD holders, USB 3.1 ports etc. Stick with that.
Wifi adapters are a real pain in Linux:
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...og.php?b=37274
You can waste lots of time searching for one that works.
All internal wifi cards should fit the B450 motherboard/H510 case.
The big question is, how many of them actually work in Linux?
I would go for the BrosTrend 1200 Mbps Linux USB 3.0 WIFI adapter which definitely works in Linux according to the customer feedback here:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/BrosTrend-L.../dp/B07FCN6WGX
Do spend some time looking at the MSI manual, especially the Quick Start section.
It is a good idea to use an anti-static wrist band during assembly:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mercury-710.../dp/B000L98002
Good luck.
PS
Please don't commit the cardinal sin of installing the motherboard and then discovering that you have not fitted the IO shield plate!
https://electronics.stackexchange.co...-computer-case
Additional info:
You do not need a 750w PSU for your system. Around 400w is more than adequate.
I had to replace my old Seasonic 430w with this BeQuiet! 400W PSU:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/QUIET-Syste...VPF79R6JFPQYFJ
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...su-4175680083/
https://www.bequiet.com/en/psucalculator
On another PC I recently changed from a hard drive to this 250GB Crucial MX500SSD which has a 5 year warranty:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Crucial-MX5...rs&sr=1-2&th=1
Last edited by beachboy2; 09-01-2020 at 04:36 AM.
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09-01-2020, 04:54 AM
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Location: Ireland
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As for the wifi cards: agreed some of them can be a pain to set up. That doesn't mean they can't be set up. You need a module, firmware in most cases and you're away. I would say buy carefully.
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09-01-2020, 09:50 AM
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Senior Member
Registered: Jan 2007
Location: Wild West Wales, UK
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business_kid,
Most users, especially those new to Linux, expect a wifi adapter to work out of the box. They don't need the extra hassle of dealing with modules and firmware.
They just want to get online asap.
More experienced users like yourself know the ropes and consider it a challenge getting a particular wifi adapter to work in Linux.
All I am saying is buyer beware.
EDIT
Here is a current typical example:
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...er-4175681062/
Last edited by beachboy2; 09-01-2020 at 01:15 PM.
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09-02-2020, 10:37 AM
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Thanks beachboy2,
Well I'm almost there...
Glad to hear Case is ok and will use the BrosTrend 1200 Mbps Linux USB 3.0 WIFI adapter.
That 700w power supply was also slipped into my order by the BestBuy guy!!
I doubled the memory and added an optical drive and my components still only draw about 200W. I am trying to find a 350w or 400w modular PS for around $50-$70 and am having no luck. Would you recommend one? BeQuiet doesn't make one and the larger one is expensive?
Thanks, R
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09-02-2020, 01:01 PM
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Senior Member
Registered: Jan 2007
Location: Wild West Wales, UK
Distribution: Linux Mint 22 MATE, Peppermint OS-Devuan, EndeavourOS
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pizzipie,
You don’t really need a modular PSU in this instance since you will have no airflow problems with your system.
BeQuiet! does this modular one:
BeQuiet! System Power 9 400W CM, modular, 80 PLUS Bronze, power supply:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Be-Quiet-Sy.../dp/B07V2D48JF
You could also try a Corsair CV450 (3 year warranty):
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hfx...-cp-9020209-na
Or a Seasonic S12III 500w (5 year warranty) which is probably better quality:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FL3...ply-ssr-500gb3
I have used Corsair PSUs on builds for other people and never had a problem.
Last edited by beachboy2; 09-02-2020 at 02:25 PM.
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09-02-2020, 05:22 PM
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Senior Member
Registered: Jan 2003
Location: Illinois (SW Chicago 'burbs)
Distribution: openSUSE, Raspbian, Slackware. Previous: MacOS, Red Hat, Coherent, Consensys SVR4.2, Tru64, Solaris
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Quote:
Originally Posted by beachboy2
For any non-gamer contemplating building a new Linux desktop PC with an AMD Ryzen CPU, I have made this short blog:
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...og.php?b=38257
Just to add that the benchmarks for these Ryzen CPUs are quite amazing.
I hope this is helpful to at least one other LQ member.
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I can second that the Ryzen-based systems can be pretty darned nice. I picked up a Ryzen 3 2200G a couple of years ago and the only trouble I've ever had with it was that the motherboard needed a firmware update during the initial setup. It's been running Linux w/o a hiccup; no problems like you alluded to in your blog. I don't build systems with gaming in mind but don't mind if they fill my rather modest gaming "needs" and this system could, I believe, handle that task just fine. It's goal in life is to be a server for various things on the home LAN and it handles everything we throw at it. I'd invest in another Ryzen-based system if the need ever arises.
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09-02-2020, 06:51 PM
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Thanks again beachboy2,
Off I go!
R
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