Best Mainboard?
(This smells like a FAQ, but I couldn't find anything useful. Any pointers are of course welcome.)
I have a cascade of problems that lead me to consider a new mainboard for my workstation. The basic problem seems to be that my GCA (Matrox G550) is more than a decade old and can't do RandR. I considered to replace it with a Radeon HD 5450, and since that would need a reinstall anyway (and since I have a defective sensor), thought about replacing my mainboard. That in turn might make the GCA redundant if proper on-board graphics are provided. My question to you is: What is the best mainboard for a workstation to buy at the moment? Which manufacturer generally has the best Linux support? Some things to consider: - Any recent CPU will do in terms of computing power. - I would prefer to have the option of using 16 GB RAM. - I have no interest whatsoever in 3D or other graphic shenannigans beyond what I need to run my desktop and watch movies. - Dual-head is essential. My screens (Iiyama ProLite E4315 and Eizo S2402WFS) have VGA and DVI ports, and are too smart to know about DRM. Both work fine and I intend to use them until they brick. - I use an excellent keyboard with a DIN connector. It works fine with various converters (DIN → PS/2 → USB), but a PS/2 port would be appreciated. - I very much prefer open source drivers for my hardware. - Could UEFI be a problem? - My other requirements are pretty standard: A couple of internal SATAs, a couple of USB ports, NIC, etc. - Low power consumption is appreciated. - ATX Thanks in advance for your help! |
If you are going to get just a better video card go with Nvidia because it does have a better support under GNU/Linux, prefferably something with 256MB or more, 512MB would be better for videos.
What problems exactly are you having with your current machine, and what are the specifications, RAM, CPU, could you post please? Regards |
If you don't run the newest games, an Intel processor with onboard Intel graphics will run pretty much any movie you can find. Graphics cards are very expensive, so I would only buy one if I was a hardcore gamer, which I am not. Playing open-source Linux games with Intel onboard graphics works just fine.
I recently bought two motherboards, an ASRock and a Gigabyte, both with the H87M chipset. They are both running fine so far, and were relatively cheap (less than $100). I'll post them on the HCL when I am sure they are good. For CPU I am using a Intel i5-4670, which is running very well. More than enough power for me and $100 cheaper than the i7. I only have 8GB of RAM, and it's more than enough. UEFI should not be a problem. I haven't had any problems with it so far. There's a compatibility mode anyway, if you need it. |
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Asus P5K, Intel E5200 2.5 GHz, 4 Gig RAM Thanks for your help! |
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You'll need an extra graphics card for dual display anyway, so if you can get a cheap one do so.
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One more thing make sure what type of slot for video your motherboard have, i believe it is AGP, so you must follow what is in the motherboard. Regards |
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BTW, max RAM is 8GB, not sure if its worth the expense, 2 x 4GB DDR2 will be at least $180 US. Quote:
The ATI/AMD open source drivers are better, but they are slower than the closed drivers even for desktop use (depending on the DE/WM and loads). *edit- I've run a HD 5450 under wheezy (stable) and sid (though not under sid for a while), with both the open osurce and closed source drivers. The same card is in my housemates computer running 'wheezy', though I cant remeber what drivers its been suing for the last year now......but I had no major issues with the open soruce drivers 'back then', so it should be fine with jessie. Quote:
Hardware video decoding can really help, but its variable across manufacturers and even driver type used.... If using open source drivers is more important, and you dont care about CPU load, power consumption and noise levels, then get an ATI/AMD card. HD 5450 would be your best choice. You could get a HD 6450, or even HD 7450, but the older card will have better support with the open source drivers. ATI/AMD cards can do hardware video decoding with both closed and open source drivers, but tis nowhere near as god as the nVidia version. If noise/power consumption while watching videos is more important, get an nVidia card and use VDPAU (nVidia hardware video decoding) with the closed source drivers. What cards are around can vary, but I'd probably try for a G210. The GT610 would be OK as well, and its a bit newer, but tis not that much better for power consumption, and will cost more, I could watch anything I threw at my old AMD 64 3000+ (single core) 1GB/8400 GS video card with out any stutering, and low CPU use with VDPAU. Even 720p x264 videos. (I never tried 1080p, I dont have any 1080p content). :) Quote:
Here or the US/UK you can find HD 5450s for 20-25 euros. |
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For example i have a A8-6500, it has 4 cores@3.5GHz + a great onboard graphiccs chip, a TDP of 65w total, doesnt overheat even when i compile with 4 threads and using its default cooler (which is TINY). I also use the latest OSS radeon stack - kernel, mesa, drm, xf86-ati from git and the graphics run perfectly well, including VDPAU hw decoding. I have 2 1440x900 screens connected. Quote:
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Most Gigabyte and ASUS boards have at least a PS2 combo port (you can connect either a mouse or keyboard there). Quote:
[QUOTE=yooden;5103055] - My other requirements are pretty standard: A couple of internal SATAs, a couple of USB ports, NIC, etc. - Low power consumption is appreciated. [/qoute] - If you get an AMD APU (i recommend the 65w Richland A8-A10 models, the latest Kaveris might still have driver related glitches and absolutely needs the latest kernel/drivers) or Intel CPU, both have capable onboard graphics and good drivers and quite low power consumption. I have dual screens on my AMD and work well (it supports 3 screens). Vsync on movies work well on my first (VGA) monitor, for some reason (dunno if its a OSS/Mesa issue or radeon specific, the second monitor sometimes tears). Opengl in games has a weird tearing on the top of the monitor (half cm or something), barely noticeable. mpv/mplayer work great, hw decoding via VDPAU works really well, no tearing. Now i cannot say anything about Intel, i heard they have some vsync issues in some newer IGPs, but dont know to what extent. - AMD's A88 chipsets are better since they have tons of SATA3 ports (mine has 8)+have onboard USB3. Intel has more chipsets, and as they always do, tier them, offering 1 SATA3+ a few SATA2 ports on lower models etc so you have to research to see if they offer what you need Quote:
BTW this goes for Intel too (Intel has much more code commits than AMD recently). |
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The newer intel LGA 1150 chipsets no longer do the '1 SATAIII + a few SATAII ports' thing that was common in the older chipsets. Ebven H81, the 'budget' LGA 1150 chipset has 2 x SATAIII and 4 x SATAII ports...and really, thats 1 more SATAIII port than a media box will ever need. IMO you dont really want a whole pile of HDDs in a media box, it just adds noise and heat. Quote:
Even if yooden did get an AMD 'fusion' system, I'd suggest avoiding the onboard GPU models, and to get a Athlon X2/X4 mdoels without video and a nVidia video card. |
So for now, I'll stick with open source and try to resolve my issues with a Radeon. I'll keep you posted.
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The old matrox cards have no hardware video acceleration. So if you system can play them, the decoding is being done by the CPU, and you've got enough CPU power for the job. So there should be no issues with the readon, even if you dont want to or cant get hardware video decoding working with the open source drivers.
BTW, the readon drivers let you use VA-API (Video Acceleration API). It might not be as good as VDPAU, and you might not want to bother with trying to set it up, but its there if you want to play with it. ;) |
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Now the availability (or lack of) of such DIMMs is another issue. Quote:
For OEM builds, im not so sure, i suppose they are happy that they have a mechanism that forces users to stick to what they gave them or at least make it harder to install something else. From my experience the Gigabyte FM2 and FM2+ mobos have CSM, so do ASUS FM1 and some ASUS 1150 boards, but i assume all ASUS/Gigabyte boards have them since the UEFIs used in them are based on the same UEFI, they all look the same pretty much. Quote:
Xvba is the equivalent of VDPAU and its used ONLY by the fglrx driver. Also, there are only one player (and maybe derivatives) that uses it to its full potential - xbmc, but only in a separate git branch which was abandoned in the favor of the OSS driver. Sure, you can use it via VA-API (vlc), but that doesnt work really well. The radeon driver uses VDPAU for hardware decoding and works very well with mplayer, mpv, xbmc and probably with the new vlc 2.1+ versions (if that is compiled with vdpau support). I agree though that if you want to get most of the radeon driver, you will have to be technically inclined and use the latest git code if your disto uses older mesa or has no vdpau support compiled in. For Ubuntu there is oibaf's ppa that does these. But for example on Debian you have to compile the whole thing ground up. |
Quick update: The Radeon HD 5450 arrived today.
More later this week, thanks for now! |
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More later this week, thanks for now! There is not much to tell. Still running Wheezy, the card works fines, mplayer does indeed not zoom, but smplayer does, and that's enough for me. Still no real 3D, but everything I need works. I will eventually upgrade to Jessie and see whether that helps 3D. Thanks to everyone, especially everyone who looked through the original question. |
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