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Old 04-19-2004, 02:31 AM   #16
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Quote:
Originally posted by gaborn415
well since I con't go buying a 6800 Ultra right now I'm kinda stuck with my 9800 Pro . I don't have any other games for Linux actually just switched over to using Linux what would you suggest to check out? Also is there anything like in the driver or perhaps in fglrxgonfig that I should set? Like the advanced options should those be on or off? Uggh the performance really is just craptacular.
You could try America's Army, it's free, as in beer.

The other big ones that run on linux I can think of off the top of my head are Return to Castle Wolfenstein and Neverwinter Nights.
 
Old 04-22-2004, 01:07 PM   #17
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Same here -->

1. Low FPS in UT2004:

OS: SuSE Linux 9.0, cpu - Athlon XP2400+, A7NX8
Platform: i386, 32-bit
Video: ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 Mb

fglrxinfo:
OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9800 Pro Generic
OpenGL version string: 1.3 (X4.3.0-3.7.6)

glxgears (1024x768, 24-bit color, default window size):
22451 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4490.200 FPS

Problem:
FPS during online play: 20-74, changes constantly, hard to keep timings.

I have tested the game on Windows 2000, DirectX 9b (booted from another harddrive) and I got stable 84 FPS (capped by game servers) during any online play.

Single player shows 50-150 fps on linux and 150-400 fps under Windows (both 800x600x16), the game slows dows when an enemy is around (a close fight with 4-5 enemies cause FPS drop down to 18 which is unacceptable especially for Instagib) or near complex surfaces.

As a clan-member, I play a lot, fps=20 is not for me, I do not know what to do with linux and opengl libraries and ATI drivers to make them work faster, if you guys give me some idea what to tweak, I would greatly appreciate it. On the other hand I can always switch back to windows version just to play UT2K4 which sucks ars.

2. America's Army: 20FPS (1024x768x16, maximum quality), unable to play.

3. RTCW, Quake III, Enemy Territory run amazingly fast, I do not know how to check fps for them.

Last edited by autoreplay; 04-22-2004 at 01:08 PM.
 
Old 04-22-2004, 02:25 PM   #18
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Get driver version 3.2.5 or 3.2.8 instead of 3.7.6, as the performance will pick up instantly.
 
Old 04-23-2004, 07:47 AM   #19
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Thanks, I'll publish the benchmarks after it's done.

Any thoughts about how the new drivers happen to be slower than 3.2.8 ?

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Old 04-23-2004, 10:44 AM   #20
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Any thoughts about how the new drivers happen to be slower than 3.2.8 ?
Can you say "ATi driver bug"? I knew you could...but more specifically, no, I've got no clue. Maybe the older driver optimized for UT2k4 but they forgot to include it in 3.7.6?

Does anyone know if 3.7.1 has that kind of slowness? I hate having to swap drivers out between 3.2.8 and 3.7.6 when I want to play a game in WineX, and I haven't been able to get UT2k4 to work right under WineX yet...
 
Old 04-23-2004, 11:47 AM   #21
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Here is fglrxinfo output:
OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: Radeon 9800 Pro Athlon (3DNow!)
OpenGL version string: 1.3 (X4.3.0-3.2.8)

Here are the benchmarks (800x600x16):

glxgears (1024x728x24, default window size):
21856 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4371.200 FPS
21857 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4371.400 FPS
21859 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4371.800 FPS

UT2004:
Online play:
65-83 - heavy maps
81-83 - light maps.
Single-player:
130-450 - Gael

What else can I say? I feel almost happy. Thanks for a working solution derfunkenstein! Screw ATI programmers!
 
Old 04-23-2004, 12:59 PM   #22
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Quote:
Originally posted by guzugi
for glxgears i get about 2400 fps and for fgl_gears i get 300-400 fps.

How fast is your processor?

I am already using version 3.7.6 of fglrx. :-/
2400 fps for a 9600? that aint to great man, on my radeon 9800 pro, i get 4500 fps. on my Geforce 3 ti 200 i get 3000fps. i still get sluggish performance in ut 2004 with fglrx but it is definatly playable. I blame ATI and their shitty drivers. Nvidia rocks as far as drivers go.
 
Old 04-23-2004, 01:02 PM   #23
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Originally posted by derfunkenstein
Can you say "ATi driver bug"? I knew you could...but more specifically, no, I've got no clue. Maybe the older driver optimized for UT2k4 but they forgot to include it in 3.7.6?

Does anyone know if 3.7.1 has that kind of slowness? I hate having to swap drivers out between 3.2.8 and 3.7.6 when I want to play a game in WineX, and I haven't been able to get UT2k4 to work right under WineX yet...
hehe... i can help you with WineX.


Solution:
$ export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libGL.so; WINEXVERSION game.exe

hehe.. hope this works for you guys.
 
Old 04-23-2004, 02:06 PM   #24
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hehe... i can help you with WineX.


Solution:
$ export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libGL.so; WINEXVERSION game.exe

hehe.. hope this works for you guys.
Sweet. I'll see if I can get that working tonight when I get home from work. Thanks for the tip!
 
Old 04-23-2004, 03:00 PM   #25
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By the way, i went from 3.7.6 to 3.2.8 just like you said, and im getting about 50 fps more in ut 2004 but CS 1.6 via winex 3.3.1 is still the same old 50-70fps. what i do to start steam is to run this script when placed in the /program files/steam folder (I didnt write this, i simply edited it for 3.2.8 users (copy and paste this into a text editor and name it steam.sh or something)

#!/bin/sh
GAME_BINARY="STEAM.exe"
SUBDIR="."
WINE_NAMES="winex winex3 cvswinex wine"
#----------------------------------------
script=$0
count=0
while [ -L "$script" ]
do
script=`perl -e "print readlink(\"$script\"), \"\n\""`
count=`expr $count + 1`
if [ $count -gt 100 ]
then
echo "Too many symbolic links"
exit 1
fi
done
GAME_DIR=`dirname $script`
if [ -z "$WINE_EXEC" ]
then
WINE_EXEC=`type -p $WINE_NAMES | head -1 `
fi
if [ -e "$WINE_EXEC" ]
then
cd $GAME_DIR
cd $SUBDIR
export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libGL.so; $WINE_EXEC $GAME_BINARY &
sleep 2
MyID=`pgrep wineserver`
renice 5 $MyID $* &&
xgamma -gamma 1.0 &> /dev/null
else
echo "Wine(X) not in your PATH"
exit 1
fi
 
Old 04-23-2004, 03:15 PM   #26
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>Does anyone know if 3.7.1 has that kind of slowness?

Don't even touch'em with a 10 foot pole, the module won't even compile on anything other than a P4, to remedy the situation, ATI disabled all CPU specific optimization when they released the 3.7.6 a couple weeks later.
That's how they fix things since they came out and claimed their "new improved seriousness about Linux"

They basically released those drivers [...3.7.1 and .6 ] under pressure from the community holding'em up to their word of driver releases every 2 months ...see how that paid off :/

Radeons are really not nice cards to have if you use Linux exclusively and plan on doing any gaming.
To put things in perspective, a 9800 under Linux performs about as well as a 8500 under M$.
 
Old 04-23-2004, 05:25 PM   #27
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My ATi drivers doesn't work so well in UT2k4. Indoor maps works, but outdoor sucks.

Enemy Territory (which is great), works very nice, actually Counter-Strike trough WineX works much better than UT2k4.
 
Old 04-23-2004, 06:25 PM   #28
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So then... do you think 3.2.8 will work on X.org's X server?

If so, and there is a big boost in FPS.. I do it.
 
Old 04-23-2004, 07:12 PM   #29
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Quote:
Originally posted by UnTamed
>Does anyone know if 3.7.1 has that kind of slowness?

Don't even touch'em with a 10 foot pole, the module won't even compile on anything other than a P4, to remedy the situation, ATI disabled all CPU specific optimization when they released the 3.7.6 a couple weeks later.
That's how they fix things since they came out and claimed their "new improved seriousness about Linux"

They basically released those drivers [...3.7.1 and .6 ] under pressure from the community holding'em up to their word of driver releases every 2 months ...see how that paid off :/

Radeons are really not nice cards to have if you use Linux exclusively and plan on doing any gaming.
To put things in perspective, a 9800 under Linux performs about as well as a 8500 under M$.
So that's why when I had 3.7.6 installed it said "Generic" and 3.2.8 says "3DNow!"...thanks for the clarification.

Really, they're a bitch to get set up, but i've had good stability since I installed 3.2.8. Faster than an 8500, but not as fast as Windows. I really hope ATI starts to devote more of their marketing--errrr...development-- staff to Linux support. Linux can be a great gaming OS between Linux-only stuff, open-source stuff, and WineX.
 
Old 04-23-2004, 08:55 PM   #30
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Wait a sec... My fglrxinfo gives me more then just "Generic" and I am using 3.7.6.
Here, Look!


jonathon@EvilOne:~$ fglrxinfo
display: :0.0 screen: 0
OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: FIRE GL 9000 PRO DDR Athlon (3DNow!) (FireGL) (GNU_ICD)
OpenGL version string: 1.3 (X4.3.0-3.7.6)


But performence is lacking anyway.
 
  


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