I have a new ATI 9600 XT graphics card and I am trying to get it to run 3D with Suse 9.0. I have tried this card in Mandrake 9.1 and 9.2 as well as Suse 9.0 with both ATI and SUSE's own version of 3.2.8 and 3.7.0 drivers. I believe the agpgart module shouldn't be needed for the newest SUSE 3.7 drivers, but still cannot get 3D enabled and can't get the agpgart to load anyway. The fglrx module is loaded, and ati control centre is installed, but can still only get mesa opel GL support. Any ideas? I have tried everything in all other posts to no avail, I am assuming the problem is possibly with the XT version of the card.

Has anyone got this cad to work?

join the club i did the agpgart stuff and only got about 6 drivers in the list that said ati- xxxx AGP but they were a much lower card than my 9700 pro so i did not choose them,, even after installing the card as the fire gl 8800 it still did not work,, i just cant see how the kernel and ati cant work together,, honestly its a joke,, and sad to see that no card nvidia or ati can have hardware accelerated graphics without doing a bunch of mumbo jumbo that still dont work most of the time.
but at least i learned a few things while doing the driver install and the graphics set up..
suse 9 is very nice,, rpm's install right away tell you if there are conflicts,, and even install the kernel dependancies if it needs them. very nice to see i didnt have to go thru all the stuff older versions of linux make you do.

Hell Yeah!

Execpt I'm using Slackware 9.1. I have a "Made by ATI" card so that may make a difference. OK I used ATI's supplied 3.2.8 drivers kernel 2.4.22 /w DRI as part of the kernel and AGPGART as a module. That should get you started.

Here's my adventure. All does not apply to you though:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...hreadid=129900



--tarballedtux

i've got a "made by ATI" card to. I think it will work if you don't though. My friend did somehow.

Tried everything, can get agpgart installed using modprobe but when it is enabled into XFConfig or XFConfig-4 (tried both driver versions) all that happens is that X boots into a blank screen and hangs, no keyboard commands work or anything. ANy ideas?

nothing is working for me i even reinstalled and tried again ,, and now after trying to install the ati drivers it said there were tons of conflicting softwares and it had to remove them to continue installling the ati drivers and now i think suse is screwed up ,, ill have to dig around to see what working and whats not. but as of now i think im going to have to reinstall again.

so until some magic geniou8s comes up with a way for linux to properly install video drivers and for linux to have agp acceleration then ill be stuck in software mode.
honestly fellas as "open source" as this os is i find it utterly appauling to see that this os doesnt have hardware support out of the box,, especially cincidering Intel is now starting to push linux,, or was that IBM oh well linux has been around long enough ans so has agp for it sTILL not to work,, its stuff like that that REALLY makes me wish i knew how to program cuz i would kiss the feet of the guy who could guarentee me that he can get my Suse 9 and my Made By ATI 97090 pro to work in Suse with FULL hardware acceleration and a MINIMUM of AGP 4x. 2x agp is wothless to me.
but again suse 9 has made me like linux again,, and ill stick with it. and hang around and try harder and reinstall more.

I agree, having tried Mandrake on and off , more off than on, over the last few years I am well impressed with Suse's out of box installation. Almost all my hardware worked first time, just got my scanner working with a firmware upload. I have all my software needs, GnuCash, Open Office etc. Just need the 3D support and my Fuji 1400 digicam to work. Funilly enough the later works in Mandrake but not in Suse, it's a USB mass storage device, but Yast never detects it, maybe needs 2.6 kernel?.

Back to ATI though, it's looks like the agpgart loads OK but the drivers don't work for the 9600XT, maybe the next version will sort it out, think I'll leave feedback for Suse.

Incidentally I must have reinstalled Suse from scratch at least 10 times trying to get the 3D working! I think I'll give up for the time being.

oh absolutely Suse is BY FAR the best version of linux out there, for the newbie's and the guru's its got an absolutely beautiful interface,, and i thought XP looked smooth and round and cool when i first used it but Suse has gone beyond that, rich colors nice everything i love it, hats off to the suse crew!. and all my hardware but SATA works fine, which is a godsend again hats off to suse.!
im still not a fan of all the command line stuff but honestly Suse pretty much does alot of that for you, i loved how it auto installed dependencies for drivers, even when it needed source files, it installs them from cd or hardrive. beautiful!
so i havent given up like i thought i was ready to,, just need to find hardware video.. then i can play some quake 3 SOF and Decent 3. and others.

Don't blame your troubles on open source. ATI's drivers are far from open source. Parts of it you compile yes, but elements of the driver are still binary. NVIDIA is the same way. I believe both of them cannot open source their drivers because of patents they hold with other companies. NVIDIA and SGI have something going I think.


--tarballedtux

i never expected the drivers to be open sourced but i also dont expect to have to go thru tons of b.s for drivers to work especially when ati makes the drivers, what is it that ati calls it HA.. something something.. hardware acceleration something something... whatever it is they even claim the drivers allow hardware video well nope sorry.

i just dont see,, when linux comes with drivers for so many cards,, even the 9700 pro. why hardware acceleration isnt turned on when you install the drivers, it should be part of the driver install,, not a mile long rat race after the install that doesnt even work for many people. agpgart should be on "out of the box" allllllll video card support hardware acceleration... its up to the motherboard and OS to turn it on or off. well my MSI 865PE NEO2 FIS2R has it on man,, so i look to linux for the problem and the cure..
i just look at linux past and present and i just sit here wondering how can something as "simple" as hardware accelerated graphics/video cards be something that is so ungodly hard to implement.

i dont understand the roots of linux ie the kernel so that i assume would be the reason why i dont understand why after 10+ yrs,, why linux/unix cant have hardware video after install.
if i were a business and looking at this and in the IT department i would tell the purchasing department,, hell no ,, go with a different os, lack of hardware video puts ALL video functions on the back of the CPU. leaving the video card as only the means of creating the output signal.
any and all apps will rely upon the cpu for means of rendering all graphics. that means, Desktop, WebPages, flash, video, graphics. anything..
unless i am wrong and the video card itself will handle most of this,, but i doubt i am simply becasue if the video card were handling this.. well,, i wouldnt be here crying about it. lol.
anyways you know what im talking about,,

the foot kissing offer is still an offer,,, kissing the feet of the guy/girl who can get my 9700 pro to work full out hardware mode.

Guess what, I got the 3D working. By accident!

Suddenly found it was working without me apparently having done anything, pure chance. After installing 3.7.0 as per the readme on suse ftp site, i.e. make module etc. and then the sax2 command etc. it works 2D but not 3D as discussed above. To make it work in 3D all I did was, when in KDE I went into Sax2 from System-Configuration, clicked on the Graphics card option, clicked on properties and then cancel cancel cancel to exit Sax2., didn't click finish or anything. I then must have logged out and logged back in at some point, not rebooted I might add, and found the 3d was active in fglxinfo.

It loses the 3D if you reboot the system but all you have to do is go back in to SaX2 as above to re-enable 3D. ANyone any ideas what on earth is going on to cause this to work?

Also got my fuji digicam working, looks like a faulty usb port, so every bit of hardware I own is working now, yipee!!!!

I'm going to pass this to suse to look into as well.

V_LESTAT: If you want help you have to give us information about your system.
We can't guess at what your are using.
Keep in mind my situation with my ATI 9600XT which is basically the same chip as yours. Mine is a "Made by ATI" card. I've heard it makes a difference with ATI's supplied drivers. I'm using the latest stable XF86 4.3.0. Provice as much information on your system as possible.


--tarballedtux

3.0 ghz HT Pent 4
MSI 865PE NEO2 FIS2R
1 gig PC3200 DDR Dual Channel
"Made By ATI" 9700 Pro
Onboard Cmedia Sound
Onboard Intel 10/100/1000 NIC

everything works fine but that damn ati card.
also after installing the latest ATI drivers,, which i download and then click the rpm,, Yamp then opens up and looks to see whats needed or NOT needed to install the drivers,, it then installs them,, this is not what ati says to do to install them,, i know,,, but it seems to work..
ok so i then go in and try and choose one of the firegl cards from the vid card list and it wont let me,, meaning it wont change the video card.. even after rebooting or logging off. so i assume there is a force command. keep in mind though there was one time i did it and chose the fire gl 8800 and it crashed linux it wouldnt load. gave me a bunch of errors.

also to correct you,, the 9600 is NOT the same chipset the 9600 is a crappy budget card.. the 9700 smokes it. ok that out of the way. lol.

Hmm, I'd like to help but I'm forever going to assume you don't want help. Get your facts straight. All the cards in that area are the same just operated differently. It's a standard consumer electronics screw job.

http://www.hut.fi/~tajyrink/ati_models.html
http://freespace.virgin.net/neeyik.uk/3dspecs/
--tarballedtux

uhm ok sure thing...
dont know where that came from.

smoke job huh..

the 9500 vs the 9700 that was a smoke job they were both the same card just the 9500 had 4 pipes disabled which could be reenabled with software.

the 9600 is the new midline budget card and it does NOT compare to the 9700 if you say they do then youve never tried them both.