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Old 10-24-2008, 03:58 PM   #1
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Question Advice on Motherboard


I might be building a new computer for my church. Below is the motherboard I'm looking at. Can anybody tell me how well it will work with Ubuntu and how easy its drivers are to work with to install? I would guess it should do fine since it's chipset is Intel, but I am a linux newbie and would feel better at least having an idea whether it will work with Ubuntu. If you have any other suggestions they are welcome.

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813121341

In my computer I have an Asus P5k motherboard and I didn't have any luck installing it's NIC drivers(on Debian), I would like to avoid that on future computers.

Anybody have a suggestion for a sound card? I'm looking at the ones made by Creative and maybe Turlte Beach. I am going for good quality and easy to install for a linux newbie.

EDIT: Here is a link to the sound card I like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16829118105

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C_MAN

Last edited by C_MAN; 10-24-2008 at 04:23 PM. Reason: added sound card question...
 
Old 10-24-2008, 06:40 PM   #2
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I don't understand your choice of this board. What functions will it serve in your church?

You have selected a microATX motherboard which already has built in sound capabilities which would provide more than adequate sound for an office desktop computer. What the motherboard is missing is a PCI Express x16 slot for an upgraded video card. Most computers are upgraded with enhanced video capabilities even for desktop purposed before the sound is upgraded.

Additionally, the board is severely restricted in the internal mass storage device options. You have one IDE interface which will allow 2 devices and there are two SATA interfaces which will permit two devices to be connected. IDE is old technology and is best suited to a CD/DVD device. The SATA would be my choice for hard disk drives.

I would like to know what case you plan to use. If you plan to have more than 2 hard disks and a CD/DVD your system is very restricted.

I would suggest something like the following:

BIOSTAR TForce TF7150U-M7 LGA 775 NVIDIA GeForce 7150 HDMI Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

This will give you upgraded sound (which you seem to want) plus the ability to upgrade the video, 3 SATA devices plus one IDE interface (2 devices). It still uses the cheaper DDR2 800 RAM but has a Gigabyte LAN interface and 8.2 channel sound. It is $13.00 more expensive but with free shipping it is a NET $4.00 more expensive with much enhanced capabilities.

You have an equally wide selection of AMD based motherboards which all work every bit well as Intel based motherboards in Linux.

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Old 10-24-2008, 07:10 PM   #3
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This computer is going to be used to run sound. It will be recording and possibly playing sound back at the same time. The reason I want the extra sound card is so that there isn't a chance the sound will be bad given that if I tell the recording to use one mixer and the playback to use the other it will hopefully not mix anything together. The onboard video is good enough for me since it is being used as a Sound computer, however (just came to me a few minutes ago) I will have to have a video card because we are thinking about putting a projector in and our computer will have to run that too...

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811121039

Any other suggestion for a mobo? I'm not a fan of Biostar.
 
Old 10-26-2008, 01:43 AM   #4
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For ease of setup and being cheaper consider building an AMD computer. nVidia on-board graphics are better if you want the least fuss. When using Intel graphics, you have to set resolutions that you want to use if they are not there before loading up the GUI. AMD/ATI cards are not as easy as nVidia graphics, but close enough to be second rated as being easy if utilities and modules (drivers) are from AMD/ATI.

The following motherboards are about the same price.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813135089
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813500014
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157126

If have the cables and do not mind of cutting the back shield, the following motherboard is the cheapest.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16813130165R

The power supply brands that I suggest are Seasonic and Enermax because they are very high quality for what you get at the price.

A good sound card is ASUS Xonar D1 or ASUS Xonar DX. It has the lowest noise during duplexing which means it is very good. It does require a floppy power connector. Using VIA Envy ICE1724 based cards such as the RIVIERA for duplexing is not easy because its sample rate is locked at the time of playback and/or recording. In simpler terms, if a recording is done at 96 KHz and you want to then playback a 48 KHz file, the computer have to up sample the file to 96 KHz in order to play it at the correct speed. I am not sure if the Xonar will be easy for duplexing. The easiest sound card for duplexing is Turtle Beach Santa Cruz, but the sound quality is fair compared to today's sound cards.
 
Old 10-27-2008, 04:25 PM   #5
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I was actually thinking about building an AMD system instead of an Intel system because I know AMD is much cheaper than Intel. I have never built an AMD system so I have a question for you; How do buy a board and processor that fit together with FSB?

With Intel the FSB has to match between mobo and CPU. For example I am running an Asus P5k mobo which can handle a CPU with like the 1066/1333 FSB and my CPU is an Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.0gHz that runs at a 1333 FSB. Is the same NOT true for AMD? For what I was looking at on Newegg it seemed that it would be hard to match up so I was thinking "well maybe the AMDs (on the mobo) are more like up to 2000 mHz on FSB and I can have a processor at or below that threshold but I had no clue. I guess what I am actually talking about is the Hypertransport Speed...is that pretty much the AMD FSB?

How good are ASRock boards? There is a guy here in town that does a lot of AMD system building, but I don't want to ask him all these questions because he will want me to get the computer through him and let him build it. I would prefer to take care of it all my self.

Quite a few stupid questions, but I am extremely new to AMD. I have never built an AMD system, but I have used one. The one I used before had a Sempron 3100+ in it and I hated it. I am thinking that maybe they have improved since then that and the fact it was a Compaq is why it was actually a not so great computer.
/end rambling...

Thanks,
C_MAN

EDIT:
How about this Mobo and CPU

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128333
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128333

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Old 10-27-2008, 09:29 PM   #6
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A Sempron is not any different than any other processor from AMD. If you say that you dislike it, then it you dislike the person that selected the parts and put it together. A Sempron is supposedly be used for general usage tasks on a budget. It is not for playing games or any high performance tasks. Systems with a Sempron processor have to be clocked higher to have equal performance as an Athlon. Same goes true with Celeron and Pentium 3 or Pentium 4. However a Sempron is better price and performs better compared to Celeron.

When AMD introduced the K8 in 2004, they moved from front side bus to HyperTransport connection and includes built-in memory controller. The HyperTransport has a lot more bandwidth than Intel's 1333 MHz FSB. Also the speed of HyperTransport can be lower with out slowing down the processor compared to the traditional method like the FSB, but the performance for PCI and PCIe will be penalized. Memory is separately clocked and the type of memory can be used depends on the model of the processor. If you select any AM2 or AM2+ socket motherboard, the chosen motherboard should work. An AM2+ processor is backwards compatible with AM2 socket motherboard, but with AM2+ features turned off. An AM2 processor used in a AM2+ socket motherboard will also work. A 940 socket motherboard can not use neither AM2 and AM2+ processors even though they have the same number of pins, because 940 socket are arranged differently compared to AM2/AM2+ socket motherboards.

I suggest AMD Athlon X2 4450e. It is cheap that should provide good performance for recording audio at the highest quality with the help of dual processors and consumes very little power.

Have not heard of ASrock until they made a 754 socket motherboard that can use 939 and AM2 sockets by just adding an upgrade card. The rumor about ASrock is they got help with ASUS. Wikipedia saids ASrock is a subdivision of ASUS. I am not sure about their quality.
 
Old 10-31-2008, 01:25 PM   #7
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