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Old 05-12-2012, 10:14 PM   #16
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I learned about BSD (linux like) when I had to use a dial up 2400 baud modem to a Berkley bulletin board and compile it from read me files. Basically alone.

I later found a pretty good boot that had MKS Toolkit that had a way to run unix commands on a dos system. The book went over many of the most basic and common commands. This is common for other certifications too. Read chapter or section. Apply in test environment and review.
 
Old 05-14-2012, 08:26 AM   #17
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I learned about BSD (linux like)
That's pretty funny. Berkley is UNIX and Linux is a UNIX clone so it would be more appropriate to say Linux is BSD like. The B in BSD = Berkley and that was one of the major forks of UNIX (the other being System V). UNIX has been around since 1970 or before whereas Linux is a relative newcomer having only been around since the 90s.
 
Old 05-15-2012, 07:24 AM   #18
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What is the difference between Linux and UNIX operating systems? <- 'UNIX like or Clone'

Plus be sure to look at the Featured items at the bottom of the above linked page.

The Strange Birth and Long Life of Unix <- 'Memories of yesteryear' + Great! The above links and others can be found at 'Slackware-Links'. More than just SlackwareŽ links!
 
Old 05-15-2012, 12:44 PM   #19
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I did say that poorly, assuming that the OP was not extremely technical.

However if BSD is Unix and it is also true that if Linux is like Unix then the reverse holds true that Unix is like Linux it is also true that BSD is like linux.

Being like and being in a timeline are not the same.
 
Old 05-15-2012, 01:53 PM   #20
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Hi there,

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However if BSD is Unix and it is also true that if Linux is like Unix then the reverse holds true that Unix is like Linux it is also true that BSD is like linux.

Being like and being in a timeline are not the same.
that's right as you put it here, the statement "A is like B" is reversible. However, saying "A is like B" subtly suggests that A is trying to imitate B, and that statement is not reversible.
I guess we all know what you wanted to express, but for a bean counter, your wording was a bit delicate.

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Old 05-15-2012, 02:01 PM   #21
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Vincent Price would disagree with you. Once an interviewer told Vincent he thought "The Last Man on Earth" was very much like "The Omega Man". Vincent corrected him by pointing out that "The Last Man on Earth" predated "The Omega Man" by more than a decade.

While comparisons aren't necessarily explicitly chronological it is very human to see them that way implicitly which is why it is common for people to correct the order of such comparisons when there is in fact a chronological order involved.
 
Old 05-15-2012, 02:04 PM   #22
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for a bean counter, your wording was a bit delicate.
Funny you should say that - in a former life I was in fact an accountant.

Often people have told me I should have been a lawyer. Others have been less kind in suggesting what I should do...
 
Old 05-15-2012, 04:21 PM   #23
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in a former life I was in fact an accountant.
Often people have told me I should have been a lawyer. Others have been less kind in suggesting what I should do...
the secret is to know when you should be meticulous, and when you'd better be a bit relaxed.
There's a time for each of them. :-)

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Old 05-16-2012, 04:14 AM   #24
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1: I've still A LOT to learn. Picking it up bit by bit. Some bits are easier than others.
2: It's an interesting hobby. No.
3: No.
4: Yes, I've bought a few books, and downloaded some free ones.
5: The usual way: by trying it, whatever it is.
6: No.
7: One or two. Maybe.
 
Old 05-16-2012, 07:53 AM   #25
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the secret is to know when you should be meticulous, and when you'd better be a bit relaxed.
There's a time for each of them. :-)
I really don't understand that. Are you somehow implying that my response on the order of the comparison was somehow inappropriate? Or perhaps my response to a challenge to that response? This is an open forum - not an exam room during finals wherein talking needs to be kept to a minimum. I hardly see that a reply about order of comparison could lead one to think I was somehow losing sleep over it. It struck me as odd so I mentioned it.
 
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Please get back to the topic of "Your experience learning Linux?".
 
Old 05-16-2012, 08:50 AM   #27
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Are you somehow implying that my response on the order of the comparison was somehow inappropriate?
no, I'm not - after all, I took the same line.
Had I implied criticism, it would have addressed my own post as well, which expressed about the same as yours.
Had I implied criticism, I wouldn't have used a smiley.

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I hardly see that a reply about order of comparison could lead one to think I was somehow losing sleep over it. It struck me as odd so I mentioned it.
No offense; I just meant to add a remark with a grin.
I'm sorry if you understood that as a reproach, I didn't mean it that way.

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Old 05-16-2012, 11:48 AM   #29
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during my life I had (have) to use sco unix, sinix, reliant unix, sun, solaris, hpux, redhat, suse, windows and cygwin and .... debian is running at home. How difficult it was (is)? I like(d) it, so it was easy. Why? It was (is) my job. I took one class, that was about "solaris troubleshooting" and I enjoyed it. I never read a book, but a lot of online documentation. You may prefer it on paper... I always learned/practiced what I needed to do my job. I haven't got any certification (almost), but there are two exceptions: my friends/colleagues told a few words and my salary.
Last but not least I would say there are still a lot to learn, it is a never ending story.
 
Old 05-21-2012, 05:07 PM   #30
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I'm doing some research on people's experiences learning linux and how to make it easier. Here's a few questions if you have some time:

1. How difficult do you find learning linux?
2. Why are you learning linux? Are you trying to get a career using linux?
3. Did you take any classes? If, so what did you like about them? What could be improved?
4. Did you purchase any books or other material to help you? Roughly how many?
5. How have you practiced what you've learned?
6. Have you taken any tests or certifications to gauge your progress or certify your knowledge?
7. Have you watched any screencasts on linux topics? Would screencasts be helpful for you in learning more about linux?
1. I dont think linux is hard at all... now. Despite having started with CP/M (before DOS), and being use to the command line. The commands were all different. I tried linux in its different flavors a number of times. But it wasnt until I had a need to use linux, that I found I committed to it for any length of time, and that was using Ubuntu Server 7.?? or 8.?? (about 8 years ago). Then I learned only what I needed to know. And it got easier as time went on.

2. Originally, it was out of necessity, now its because in my opinion its the best OS available. Not, but in a career, I might find its a better move for a company im with, and I'm glad to have enough information to support my claims.

3. Not initially. But recently I took a class which included aspects of linux, and I learned quite a bit about the inner working.

4. A few here and there, could tell you an exact count, but less than 5. Best one IMHO, without internet access, is "LINUX in a nutshell"

5. I run 9 of the computers in my home with different versions of linux, and Im always looking for ways to improve it.

6. no.

7. no. I think the best way to learn to use it, is to simply make it a necessity to learn.
 
  


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