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nixblog 05-21-2012 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by remkade (Post 4676123)
I'm doing some research on people's experiences learning linux and how to make it easier. Here's a few questions if you have some time:

1. How difficult do you find learning linux?
2. Why are you learning linux? Are you trying to get a career using linux?
3. Did you take any classes? If, so what did you like about them? What could be improved?
4. Did you purchase any books or other material to help you? Roughly how many?
5. How have you practiced what you've learned?
6. Have you taken any tests or certifications to gauge your progress or certify your knowledge?
7. Have you watched any screencasts on linux topics? Would screencasts be helpful for you in learning more about linux?

1. Not that difficult in all honesty. Most converts start out with a GUI based Linux so transition is not that hard. Getting to grips with the command line takes a while but its worth it.

2. I started learning Linux after I got a copy of RedHat 5 but, had dabbled with FreeBSD for a while before that. Up until that point I'd been a dyed in the wool Windows admin.

3. No classes, the best tuition I find is a book and PC's to practice with.

4. I was given the odd book here and there via Linux users.

5. No point learning the stuff if you don't practice it to some degree.

6. Not done any for Linux, want to do LPIC stuff just for the sheer hell of doing it - it's a question of motivation when you reach 50 :)

7. YouTube and other screencasts are helpful - it's just another aid to learning.

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Xeratul 06-23-2014 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by remkade (Post 4676123)
I'm doing some research on people's experiences learning linux and how to make it easier. Here's a few questions if you have some time:

1. How difficult do you find learning linux?
- you will never learn linux alone, you need others.
check debian clubs in your region or get diploma.

Many people use Ubuntu and have no ideas what is Linux, believing it is like MS Windows (which is too awesome, really MS rocks as well).

2. Why are you learning linux? Are you trying to get a career using linux?
To have freedom on creating and using softs using apt-get and because of GNU community.

3. Did you take any classes? If, so what did you like about them? What could be improved?
I give regularly help to others in my city to install linux.

4. Did you purchase any books or other material to help you? Roughly how many?
Regularly. Some 40$ each 5-6 months in shops mostly for coding and admin.

5. How have you practiced what you've learned?
Installing Linux at home and for daily use.
Use SSH and Samba, it rocks.

6. Have you taken any tests or certifications to gauge your progress or certify your knowledge?
no need.

7. Have you watched any screencasts on linux topics? Would screencasts be helpful for you in learning more about linux?
never. it sucks since it is for ubuntu software users or beginners.

dugan 06-23-2014 12:25 AM

For context, by the time I started learning Linux I was already an expert on the DOS command line (I used to read DOS Resource Guide and Compute), and I'd long mastered C++ programming.

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Originally Posted by remkade (Post 4676123)
1. How difficult do you find learning linux?

Not difficult, because I didn't try to bite off too much at a time. I essentially started with the Slackware Essentials book, and then spent a little bit of time each day getting better.

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2. Why are you learning linux? Are you trying to get a career using linux?
I don't consider myself to be "learning Linux" at this point, and I do have a career using Linux.

Why did I start? I had just finished high school and was planning to go to university for a computer science degree. I wanted to be ready.

After I decided not to pursue a computer science degree (at the time), I kept using Linux because it both performed better than, and was more stable than, Windows on the old hardware I'd had at the time.

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3. Did you take any classes? If, so what did you like about them? What could be improved?
I did not take classes.

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4. Did you purchase any books or other material to help you? Roughly how many?
The biggest and most useful investment, honestly, was the $200 starter package I bought from Walnut Creek, which came with several distributions and a phonebook-sized compilation of Howtos from TLDP. That book definitely came in handy.

I'd bought other books since then, including Running Linux and Linux in a Nutshell, but honestly I didn't find them useful.

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5. How have you practiced what you've learned?
By running Linux, of course. I boot into it when it's convenient, and I use a VM when it's not.

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6. Have you taken any tests or certifications to gauge your progress or certify your knowledge?
I have not.

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7. Have you watched any screencasts on linux topics? Would screencasts be helpful for you in learning more about linux?
Depends how broadly you define "Linux topics." The screencasts on the Fugitive and YouCompleteMe vim plugins are extremely well-done, for example.

I also liked these:

How Linux is Built

Porting Source to Linux

Xiph's videos

The Humble Indie Bundle

EDIT: I didn't notice that this was an old thread that was bumped by a spambot. Oh well.

Xeratul 06-23-2014 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by dugan (Post 5192338)
For context, by the time I started learning Linux I was already an expert on the DOS command line (I used to read DOS Resource Guide and Compute), and I'd long mastered C++ programming.



Not difficult, because I didn't try to bite off too much at a time. I essentially started with the Slackware Essentials book, and then spent a little bit of time each day getting better.



I don't consider myself to be "learning Linux" at this point, and I do have a career using Linux.

Why did I start? I had just finished high school and was planning to go to university for a computer science degree. I wanted to be ready.

After I decided not to pursue a computer science degree (at a time), I kept using Linux because it both performed better than, and was more stable than, Windows on the old hardware I'd had at the time.



I did not take classes.



The biggest and most useful investment, honestly, was the $200 starter package I bought from Walnut Creek, which came with several distributions and a phonebook-sized compilation of Howtos from TLDP. That book definitely came in handy.

I'd bought other books since then, including Running Linux and Linux in a Nutshell, but honestly I didn't find them useful.



By running Linux, of course. I boot into it when it's convenient, and I use a VM when it's not.



I have not.



Depends how broadly you define "Linux topics." The screencasts on the Fugitive and YouCompleteMe vim plugins are extremely well-done, for example.

I also liked these:

How Linux is Built

Porting Source to Linux

Xiph's videos

The Humble Indie Bundle

EDIT: I didn't notice that this was an old thread that was bumped by a spambot. Oh well.


Then, you are also dating from DOS 6x,...? ;) what a nice time, isn't it? You had some Win 3.1 as well or directly *nix?

dugan 06-23-2014 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Xeratul (Post 5192349)
Then, you are also dating from DOS 6x,...? ;) what a nice time, isn't it? You had some Win 3.1 as well or directly *nix?

DOS 5 and Win 3.1.

By the time I started *nix it was already well into the Win98 generation.

Peter Norton's DOS 5 Guide (which I just pulled off the public library shelf) was one book that really opened my eyes. I also used to have a copy of the DOS Programmers' Reference, which detailed how the OS and BIOS worked and gave a list of the interrupts for each.

Habitual 06-23-2014 08:37 AM

20 Years in IT and the last 7 wholly dedicated to *nix support and administration.
Started out with DOS 5.0 and Win3.1, dBase III+ (made me cry learning it) in Community College.
No Professional Certifications.

First time I wanted to dual boot, I couldn't even figure out what a "slice" was (*BSD?).
I failed miserably. RTFM'ing stuff drove me mad. I was not ready.

I ran back to Windows after having installed Slackware back in 1996, or '97.
5 or 6 more years of that and I was finished using Windows as my Primary OS.
I now had a preference for Linux and a distaste for Windows, but I had to keep it around as some shops didn't allow us to install alternate OSs.

I continue to "learn linux" on a daily basis and I look forward to it every day.
The learning never ends and that is why I choose to use Linux, and my Distribution of choice is Slackware.

MensaWater 06-23-2014 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dugan (Post 5192358)
DOS 5 and Win 3.1.

By the time I started *nix it was already well into the Win98 generation.

Newbie! :p

I started working with DOS 2.0 and Lotus 123 version 1A.

rtmistler 06-23-2014 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by remkade (Post 4676123)
1. How difficult do you find learning linux?

Not at all, but I also knew Unix before Linux.

Quote:

Originally Posted by remkade (Post 4676123)
2. Why are you learning linux? Are you trying to get a career using linux?

One always learns, it is already part of my career. Since I enjoy it, I would seek to work in this area; therefore I have sought it out by lieu of having grown my expertise and highlighted this in my experience when I present that to employers.

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Originally Posted by remkade (Post 4676123)
3. Did you take any classes? If, so what did you like about them? What could be improved?

None.

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Originally Posted by remkade (Post 4676123)
4. Did you purchase any books or other material to help you? Roughly how many?

Yes. Two total, one of which I never read.

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Originally Posted by remkade (Post 4676123)
5. How have you practiced what you've learned?

By using Linux daily at home and work, developing within Linux as my main career focus, and participating in this forum.

Quote:

Originally Posted by remkade (Post 4676123)
6. Have you taken any tests or certifications to gauge your progress or certify your knowledge?

No.

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Originally Posted by remkade (Post 4676123)
7. Have you watched any screencasts on linux topics? Would screencasts be helpful for you in learning more about linux?

No.

/awk/ 06-23-2014 03:36 PM

I've started with linux a long time ago. The first time I used linux I though it was crap because it didn't recognized some of my hardware. Over the years, I was going back and forth from windows to linux until I was using linux more and more.

One day I made a commitment to learn linux as possible. I started with the commands and then shell scripting. And then, I was hooked for linux for life. No more microsoft and windows for me.

_HG_ 06-24-2014 02:08 AM

1. How difficult do you find learning linux?
I don't find it difficult, to learn using Linux.

2. Why are you learning linux? Are you trying to get a career using linux?
I am Anti-M$. Began with using DR-DOS, instead of using M$-DOS.
Then made the transition to Linux to have a better GUI than DR-DOS could handle.

3. Did you take any classes? If, so what did you like about them? What could be improved?
I toke a one week UNIX class. I think it was in 1997.

4. Did you purchase any books or other material to help you? Roughly how many?
I bought a couple of UNIX books and also a couple of Linux books.

5. How have you practiced what you've learned?
The company I work for use M$ Windowz, so at work I have to use that, but else where I use Linux. All the time. Every day.

6. Have you taken any tests or certifications to gauge your progress or certify your knowledge?
No.

7. Have you watched any screencasts on linux topics? Would screencasts be helpful for you in learning more about linux?
No, I have not. I don't know if screencasts would be helpful.

FSCK THAT! 06-24-2014 01:42 PM

I've learn linux on my own by reading books, magazines and online content.

JWJones 06-24-2014 02:00 PM

1. It's a process, but I learned the most when I decided to go CLI-only, no .Xorg for about a month.
2. I'm just a hobbyist, and OS enthusiast, no Linux career goals.
3. Nope.
4. I have a few: UNIX for the Impatient, Learning the bash shell, Slackware Linux Essentials, Absolute OpenBSD (v.2).
5. Yes
6. No
7. Yes, and yes.

rtmistler 06-24-2014 02:16 PM

On the subject of screencasts, I think if they were well done, well organized, and well focused; plus they showed as well as instructed (the whole point) then they might be useful for introductory learning. I think a ton of people totally don't get some concepts even when they are fully described, their minds are just 100% looking in an opposite direction. Like they think the ls command is "eye-ess" or something, or "#1-ess", they totally don't get it. But if they were to watch a screencast, see the demo screen right in their face while hearing the instructor talk and say, "Now I'll enter 'ell-ess' to view the contents of my directory ... see?", then that's useful.

Probably like that for any new concept. Like if you've never built code before being shown a sample create/edit, compile, run, debug, etc session would be helpful. But once you've seen it and done it yourself, the rest of learning is probably self experience over videos.

enine 06-25-2014 06:57 AM

1. How difficult do you find learning Linux?

Not difficult at all, depending on the distro. Some create their own management tools so you have to learn them.

2. Why are you learning Linux? Are you trying to get a career using Linux?

I needed something better than Windows. Also my career has led me to infosec which covers Windows/Linux/databases, firewalls, etc. There are many good tools in the open source/Linux world.

3. Did you take any classes? If, so what did you like about them? What could be improved?

I did have one distro specific but it was a few years after I started using Linux myself.

4. Did you purchase any books or other material to help you? Roughly how many?

Half dozen maybe.

5. How have you practiced what you've learned?

Use it every day on my own systems

6. Have you taken any tests or certifications to gauge your progress or certify your knowledge?

No

7. Have you watched any screencasts on linux topics? Would screencasts be helpful for you in learning more about linux?

No, most videos/screencasts are too slow paced for me.


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