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Old 10-15-2003, 03:30 PM   #1
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WYSIWYG html editor dont exist


why there arent any html editor for linux that come close to dreamweaver not even frontpage?
is it hard to program? i dont think so.
 
Old 10-15-2003, 03:39 PM   #2
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So go ahead and program one!

Please try to keep in mind that there is no such thing as a WYSIWYG HTML editor on any platform. Browsers all interpret HTML differently, and often incorrectly; the appearance of any website is heavily dependent on the user's browser, browser preferences, available fonts, and many other factors.

Screem and Bluefish are two GUI HTML editors that I know of. Have you tried those?
 
Old 10-15-2003, 03:42 PM   #3
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Or QuantaPlus.
 
Old 10-15-2003, 03:42 PM   #4
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Most people usually fluent with Linux and *nix OS's probably feel that they really don't need one. Most will develop by using a text editor and typing the code out themselves, which usually means its more compliant and exactly how you want the code to be, standard that is to W3C.

Also when your developing for sites, in Linux you have about a dozen browsers to choose from, which would probably make it so WYSIWYG would only account for one browser, not all of them.

But to tell you the truth, Frontpage is a joke. I created a page once to compare the amount of crap they add that isn't needed, My hand coded page was about 10k, the Frontpage coded page was over 30k in size. But when looking at the pages, couldn't tell the difference in a browser.

Linux doesn't need a Frontpage, maybe a Dreamweaver for the poeple who can't type simple html code, but please no Frontpage editors. I'd have to switch to Mac's and OSX if that happened...
 
Old 10-15-2003, 03:58 PM   #5
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wooaaaw! go easy guys.
i am a person who dont know webprogramming verymuch and i just want my linux to funtionning well. i feels like linux lack of something for me and that is wysiwyg html editor. it would be nice that linux have one that functionning well. that is all i need for linux. i simply cant throw linux away for that reason. i love linux very very much. from the 1st day i installed linux it really caught my eyes and being strugled to learn it. but thanks u guys for being there helping me solving linux problems that i have all this long.i really starting to catch up with linux now.
 
Old 10-15-2003, 05:06 PM   #6
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I have four things to say.
- Frontpage is a joke. It produces bad code.
- Dreamweaver can be much better if you know what you are doing.
- Everyone who owns a website should study HTML, CSS, and web accessibility. Especially the latter.
- There are two WYSIWYG HTML editors for Linux: Mozilla Composer and Amaya.
 
Old 10-15-2003, 06:41 PM   #7
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there is also one included with OpenOffice.

But keep in mind that if you're used to having something as powerful as dreamweaver, using one of these is going to really suck. Do you get better code from typing the html yourself? Yes, is it a waste of time? Usually.

When i did web design (shiver) i used dreamweaver to create the tables and get it looking decent, in VERY little time. I can think of a lot of things id rather be doing than coding html. It may be easy, but its boring as hell.

Anyways.. If you absolutely need dreamweaver you can run it in wine, or install VMware and run it on windows.
 
Old 10-15-2003, 09:33 PM   #8
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Dreamweaver works with wine. If you have Dreamweaver, read about wine and get it working.

Have fun.
 
Old 12-13-2006, 12:36 AM   #9
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some people should not have children!!!!

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Originally Posted by trickykid
Most people usually fluent with Linux and *nix OS's probably feel that they really don't need one. Most will develop by using a text editor and typing the code out themselves, which usually means its more compliant and exactly how you want the code to be, standard that is to W3C.

Also when your developing for sites, in Linux you have about a dozen browsers to choose from, which would probably make it so WYSIWYG would only account for one browser, not all of them.

But to tell you the truth, Frontpage is a joke. I created a page once to compare the amount of crap they add that isn't needed, My hand coded page was about 10k, the Frontpage coded page was over 30k in size. But when looking at the pages, couldn't tell the difference in a browser.

Linux doesn't need a Frontpage, maybe a Dreamweaver for the poeple who can't type simple html code, but please no Frontpage editors. I'd have to switch to Mac's and OSX if that happened...
This is funny!!!!!! it seems that the real reason that Linux is still stuck the dark ages of cutting edge web development software is because of people like you!!!! As Sr. Webmaster for a mid sized hosting solution company it is my job to manage the development of dozens of development projects, and my boss doesn't want to hear excuses for why my team isn't producing.....with over 15 years of experience i used to think that harder is better.... is cooler... but that is pure BS!!!! the bottom line is i want to get my workload finished as quickly and efficiently as possible with the least possible overhead!!!! I have tried frontpage, but untill Frontpage 2003 came out i only used Dreamweaver and notpad. Frontpage 2003 has more pure power than any html editor period!!! I can embed Xml and other native WC3 code, work with PHP,CSS, MySql, and encrypted elements,and more importantly upload directly to ftp to my Apache webservers. In all of this while writting code i can toggle between the html editor, WYSIWYG, and preview modes without having save and view in a browser, and i can even view Thur my browser of choice when i want to see my code in the eyes of my potential web visitors. i can even set predefined resolutions, and even create page templates to be used for future use in the same or new projects. And Frontpage does not add unneeded code, i don't know what you think is unneeded code but when you start a new html page all that Frontpage adds is basic Meta content, and the basic Head, and Body tags, all of which i might add is needed in the SEO sphere of design and development. So your statement is 100% untrue!!!!. So Linux does need a replacement for Frontpage, and i am sure that with open source standards the Linux version will only be better.. right now i am forced to use Frontpage 2003 via CrossOver for Linux on my Ubuntu box....and additionally i have found that there isn't a quality, full featured Blog Editor for Linux as well.... But i am sure that as more Linux Developers see the real need they will bring forth powerful software for the new "web driven" enterprise!!!

U
 
Old 12-13-2006, 01:06 AM   #10
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Frontpage is crap, accept that first of all. The code it creates is crap. Try coding a site by hand then doing the same site in FP, then check the size you will be suprised, also try checking the same site in different browsers and validating the code.

Then try using NVU/Kompozer, Amanya, Seamonkey Composer, Bluefish,Screem, OOwebwriter, Quanta + or a nice text editor like Kate or Scite.

Punctuation and paragraph breaks help also.

Linux is not in the "dark ages" of anything.
 
Old 12-13-2006, 08:52 AM   #11
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This is not a Linux discussion, but rather philosophy of programming.....

Having learned HTML and CSS pretty thoroughly, I now very much favor editors like Bluefish. But that has little to do with my Linux skills (moderate) or my other programming skills (negligible).

The man asked about WYSIWYG tools, which got pretty well covered--except mabye Nvu. I used this once and was put off that they did not use frames. Then I learned that you don't need frames, so know I might try it again. (But I really like Bluefish)

And we don't need stuff like this:
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some people should not have children!!!!.....This is funny!!!!!! it seems that the real reason that Linux is still stuck the dark ages of cutting edge web development software is because of people like you!!!!
 
Old 07-18-2007, 11:41 PM   #12
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html developement

I know html/css pretty dang good and still like my dreamweaver. I don't care what some of you say about not needing it and that you should use quanta/bluefish/whatever. while quanta is alright, dreamweaver rocks. and i can get dw running under wine but copy/paste and templates just don't work so it is useless to me. so i will still run windows sometimes just to use dw.
 
Old 07-19-2007, 01:02 AM   #13
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WYSIWYG editors are uneccessary, they make very bad code and you can't fine tune the code at all
 
Old 07-19-2007, 12:37 PM   #14
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Quote:
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This is funny!!!!!! it seems that the real reason that Linux is still stuck the dark ages of cutting edge web development software is because of people like you!!!! As Sr. Webmaster for a mid sized hosting solution company it is my job to manage the development of dozens of development projects.....
If I were your boss, I would fire you. I have 7 years of web development experience and I can attest to the fact that Frontpage is terrible. I don't want to create a massive quote block, so I cut you off short, but everything that you admire Frontpage for is available in Dreamweaver. Why on earth you would switch to Frontpage is beyond me.

As for web development tools on Linux, I think that there could be some improvement. Bluefish and Quanta Plus are okay but need a bit of work. It's small things like better code completion and FTP navigation. After using FTP navigation on Dreamweaver for so many years, everything else just seems awkward. The Linux alternatives lag every time I open a folder rather than just loading the entire tree like Dreamweaver does and saving/transferring files with FTP in these applications seems a LOT slower than Dreamweaver.

A WYSIWYG is for beginners however. I'm not saying that Linux shouldn't have it, but no real web developer uses WYSIWYG. Once you have years of hand coding experience under your belt, coding becomes much faster and more efficient than WYSIWYG. The GUI actually gets in the way sometimes. I find myself clicking through stupid menus and wizards when I could just type a couple lines of code and be done with it. Plus the code that I write is much cleaner and is W3C compliant. Dreamweaver is pretty good with standards but has a few quirks. If I need to make a change to the code it is much easier to do it with my own code than the stuff that Dreamweaver generates and this is especially true when working with server side languages like PHP where your web content isn't available for editing/previewing. WYSIWYG breaks down completely when it comes time for server side languages.
 
Old 07-19-2007, 04:25 PM   #15
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Hey, UserX, go easy on the !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, please.

 
  


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