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Old 01-22-2004, 10:53 AM   #1
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Question "Windows Like" Window Manager


Hi,

I help as a network administrator in a small company (about 20 computers). We have 2 servers - Samba file server and a Proxy server -running Linux for more than a year without any problems and I think its time to start using Linux on some client machines as well.
Problem is that most of the users are used to MS Windows environment so I d like to make "move to Linux" as easy as possible. Thats why I m asking u if u could suggest a window manager which looks in the same way (or is similar) to MS Windows.

I found Wvwm which looks good, but it seems that this project isnt updated anymore.

Thx for your time
 
Old 01-22-2004, 11:05 AM   #2
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KDE is pretty similar. It has the idea of a tool bar running down the bottom of the screen. On the left side you have a K menu, which is like the start menu, next to it you can have icons like the quick launch part of the start menu in windows. Then you have the part that shows all your running programs, then you have a system trey, then a clock.

The file manager windows look pretty similar. It is pretty intuitive to use and setup from a window users perspective.
 
Old 01-22-2004, 11:53 AM   #3
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i agree that KDE would be a good choice... and if i recall there is even a theme that mimics the windows look..
 
Old 01-22-2004, 12:04 PM   #4
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Look at XPde at http://www.xpde.com
They simulate Windows XP interface.
 
Old 01-22-2004, 01:06 PM   #5
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Thx for your advices,
KDE is good for a regular linux user, I have seen screens of KDE running Windows 2k theme but it still wasnt what I wanted.

XPde looks very good imo, will probably use it on the test machine to see users' reactions :]
 
Old 01-22-2004, 01:12 PM   #6
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actually, it doesnt matter. if you're going to setup a window manager for the machines ...
choose any of gnome/kde/xfce-4...

set up the look on one machine ... all of them have a start bar, task bar, and shortcuts ... then copy the config files from that one machine to the others.
 
Old 01-22-2004, 01:13 PM   #7
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IceWM can also look like Windows, and has most (all?) of the Windows keyboard shortcuts. However, it doesn't use desktop icons. You need an add-on program for desktop icons--find ideas at icewm.org.

IceWM is also lighter/less memory intensive than KDE.
 
Old 01-22-2004, 01:43 PM   #8
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Originally posted by h/w
actually, it doesnt matter. if you're going to setup a window manager for the machines ...
choose any of gnome/kde/xfce-4...

set up the look on one machine ... all of them have a start bar, task bar, and shortcuts ... then copy the config files from that one machine to the others.
You still dont understand my reasons Some of "my" users are not able to start a program when its icon on the desktop changes its position for some reason.
 
Old 01-22-2004, 05:07 PM   #9
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No. I fully understand your problem. I'm about a year further on than you....and my knuckles are black and blue from fighting!! I started by trying to fool users into thinking that KDE was the same as W98 but they weren't fooled. If an icon looked different - regardless of the text underneath - they could not use the desktop. I think the fact that KDE sets out (in some ways) to guide Windows users into Linux was the problem. It's okay at home - you've got time to learn and play but in any kind of commercial environment the user just does not have (or is not given??) the time to learn new systems. Anything that is slightly different is a problem. I set out to re-educate everyone --but slowly. Make sure that everyone knows that they are going to be using a different system. Explain (where you can ;-)) its strengths. Point out that Open Office is not MS Office but make sure that all MS fonts etc are installed so that conversion is seamless. If you have support from above, stick at it. We've now got 25 desktops and 6 of those are Linux now. I'm adding a box tomorrow - Linux!!! I'm working to use ltsp with 12 of the W98 boxes and a powerful - ish Linux box we've got.

In some ways, I wish I'd introduced more users to Fluxbox at an early stage. It's different enough to freak people out but a well-tuned menu is fantastic. Two boxes are already fluxbox/blackbox only and the users are the most computer resistant people you'll ever meet. They like the fact that there are no icons (that move!!) and there's only a right click to find "functional clicks" - also their choice of "functional clicks" is easily limited.

I work in a hot-desk environment - so each box has at least 5 potential users. I think I'm winning my personal crusade but it's taken a lot of time. Good luck and stick at it. Victories come when the boss learns commands such as "cal 2005" - they love it!!!!!
 
Old 01-23-2004, 02:26 AM   #10
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I suggest you best follow the suggestions of esteeven!
 
Old 01-23-2004, 12:06 PM   #11
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xpde is still in new development stages.

many glithes, for me anyway.
i was going to try to fool some of my friends with it.

i wiped it out quickly, thouhg.

good idea, but a long way to go.
 
  


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