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Old 02-23-2010, 03:49 PM   #16
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i see you are going to use zonealarm
after 1 year it stops scaning the email
tell them do NOT open any email from zonealarm they hit spy bot an yes they made it
now if they made it this long with out getting anything
its most likely just dirty on the inside and getting hot
and you may need to reset the heat sink so take some heat sink compound with you
 
Old 02-23-2010, 08:00 PM   #17
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I had thought about that. But I am not sure how often there IP address changes with their ISP. They are very, very basic users so I need to keep this extremely simple for them.

Ideally that would be perfect though.
Do it the other way around. Install Linux, and let the installation create a VPN connection into your machine if you have a fixed IP address.

Very basic users? Use any simple desktop, and put the icons there were they are used to them. Rename Pidgin shortcut to "MSN Messenger" and Firefox to "Internet explorer", etc.

I did such a setup for my heirs when they were to spend the holidays with us last year. They didn't even notice that it was not Windows. Honestly. (My son-in-law is the type who re-installs Windows twice a year because the current installation becomes unusable due to malware, slowness or anything and then notes that he has to download all those movies again because they are lost after re-installation.)

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Old 02-24-2010, 06:42 AM   #18
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Your best bet is to backup and reinstall windows.
I would advise against reinstalling Windows98 from original install media. The changes between the original install and the final supported version were many and are no longer available.
 
Old 02-24-2010, 07:21 AM   #19
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w98 try
http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/1059...-windows-98se/

this looks interesting
http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/1403...roject-update/

2) Personally I still think you are pushing it.....uphill......as onebuck says....don't install anything to their hard drive.....IMHO wipe it and format the lot as fat32....as a storage drive for a linux live cd.

the live cd I would target first is slitaz....30 meg download.....slow update cycle compared to Ubuntu but they pack a lot in that 30 megs
web browser
file manager
text editor

and a repository scheme.

http://slitaz.org/en/doc/releases/2.0/relnotes.en.html

love it

good luck

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Old 02-24-2010, 07:45 AM   #20
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There's a very good chance a machine running 98 isn't going to boot from anything other than a harddrive or floppy so I wouldn't put all my eggs in the live cd basket. If they are that basic then you could probably get away with a suitable distro and simple shortcuts. Don't forget thatnperfection is the enemy of good enough.
 
Old 02-24-2010, 01:34 PM   #21
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Hi,

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There's a very good chance a machine running 98 isn't going to boot from anything other than a harddrive or floppy so I wouldn't put all my eggs in the live cd basket. If they are that basic then you could probably get away with a suitable distro and simple shortcuts. Don't forget thatnperfection is the enemy of good enough.
I disagree! You can use boot manager or just launch via the hdd. There are means for booting the LiveCD other than the IPL or BIOS driver. Alternate BIOS boots like sbootmgr will not always recognize but most times depending on the BIOS the manager will launch or boot a program from cd.

The big issue is the 4k vs 8k block reads for some newer LiveCD but you can always revert to older distributions version. Which should be done because of the possible legacy hardware issue with newer distributions.

 
Old 02-24-2010, 01:57 PM   #22
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I disagree! You can use boot manager or just launch via the hdd. There are means for booting the LiveCD other than the IPL or BIOS driver. Alternate BIOS boots like sbootmgr will not always recognize but most times depending on the BIOS the manager will launch or boot a program from cd.
While this may be the case, it can't be forgotten that we are talking elderly people with no local support. Adding another layer of complexity seems like a bad idea to me. Ultimately someone is going to have to fix something! But since I'm not familiar with any of these things, I may be overly pessimistic due to my own ignorance.
 
Old 02-24-2010, 03:16 PM   #23
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First I want to thank everyone for their help with this and all the suggestions. When I got there I found out it wasn't Win98 but XP. This made part of it better. But the computer is a very old one with 260MB of RAM, (I think the computer originally came with 98 and was upgraded to XP.) There was nothing I could really do except make sure it was cleaned up. It will be slow no matter what. They do plan on getting another computer though.

Basically I:

* - Cleaned up the computer, cookies, etc
* - Cleaned up the registry
* - Made sure everything was updated (AVG)
* - Installed Ccleaner and Spybot (AVG was already installed)
* - Checked to make sure there wasn't anything running that shouldn't be, background, at boot, etc.

It is so much easier to take care of a Linux system, lol.

As well as a few other things. I really wanted to install Zonealarm but they already had AVG running and I thought having it as well would have really slowed the computer down to a crawl. So they are using (Ugh) the built in XP firewall.

I would have loved to install Linux for them. I think they would have liked it. But I was very concerned about that difference. If they where closer to me then it would not have been an issue at all. I could have gone over each time they had a problem and helped them out.

It is amazing how well Linux works on old hardware, but how Windows can't do well at all on it.
 
Old 02-24-2010, 05:30 PM   #24
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Hi,

Glad to hear it went so well for you.

Be careful with updates for the system. I wouldn't go beyond Sp2 for Xp on such a old machine. If you do then make sure it's custom update to exclude IE8 and other memory hogs.

 
Old 02-24-2010, 05:33 PM   #25
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Hi,

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While this may be the case, it can't be forgotten that we are talking elderly people with no local support. Adding another layer of complexity seems like a bad idea to me. Ultimately someone is going to have to fix something! But since I'm not familiar with any of these things, I may be overly pessimistic due to my own ignorance.
I was speaking for the install methods with the sbootmgr as that was the inhibiting factor. The OP was going to install GNU/Linux and the boot mgr would be used by the install.

It's good to be cautious but this is not the case here.



To the OP; Please mark the Thread as [Solved] via the Thread Tools.
 
Old 02-24-2010, 07:25 PM   #26
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Hi,



I was speaking for the install methods with the sbootmgr as that was the inhibiting factor. The OP was going to install GNU/Linux and the boot mgr would be used by the install.

It's good to be cautious but this is not the case here.



To the OP; Please mark the Thread as [Solved] via the Thread Tools.
Yes, this is solved but still open to discussion if anyone decides to.
 
Old 02-24-2010, 07:28 PM   #27
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ALSO.........


I want to thank everyone yet again. If this was a Windows forum I would have been shut out fast for talking about any "other" OS. But here with us Linux users, we show respect and common decency. Another reason why I love this community.
 
Old 02-25-2010, 07:32 AM   #28
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Hi,

True but you still have zealots within the GNU/Linux community that don't look at other OS as tools but that other religion.

 
Old 02-26-2010, 10:37 AM   #29
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That is true. But there is more respect here then other places. I personally just love computers. The two main ways I have learned what I know is fixing Windows, which always breaks so there is a lot of education there, lol. And of course long before Linux became easier I learned a lot setting things up. Anyone remember the winmodems? Those where FUN..... lol Actually those still pop up every now and then but thank the computers gods for dsl, cable, etc ;-)
 
Old 02-26-2010, 09:19 PM   #30
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I didn't read this WHOLE thread, but I agree with some of the other users is to just install DSL and make it as friendly as possible and allow ssh.
 
  


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