Why not build WINE into all distros?
 

Why isn't WINE built into linux , BSD, and BeOS these days?


-Rob

because it's generally pants.... and irrelevant, and generally totally misses the point of using something that isn't windows, when all you weant to do is pretend you are using it...

i think rather than asking "why not", ask "why"

Oh well, in that case I should have asked why not make Linux more complicated and buggy! I dont think it such a bad idea to add wine since many popular programs are still uncompatible with Linux for the time being.

and most win programs are still uncompatable with wine.

What do you use Wine for? Now that I've dumped all Windows from my machines, the only thing that I can't do is sync my pocket computers (1 Psion and 1 Windows CE). I strongly suspect that the sync software doesn't work in Wine since it needs access to the serial ports.

For all other needs, I've found equivalent or superior software under Linux.

Martin

this is such a stupid stupid stupid thing to say, but i'm gonna say it anyway.... if you really think that then you do not understand linux enough to say what you have... when you do know linux properly i promise you totally you will have changed your opinion totally.

you know, i could have bought a boat, and put two axles through the hull and a steering wheel and driven along a road...(and been arrested!) but instead a bought a car... stupid analogy, but it's late.

the point of this being....? i could give you a damn good list of programs i would like to see ported to windows.....

the programs detailed in that thread are generally results of substantial amounts of cash and man hours for the firm... and the fact that they currently only work on windows is utterly besides the point in the context you are trying to use it.

obviously I can't speak for them, but i'd be pretty sure that even the wine developers would not want this to happen.

Building or including wine in Linux would be like Microsoft bundling Mozilla with their OS. I really don't see the demand or need to yet, add another program to support other programs that don't run natively in Linux. Seems like a waste of space to me as I would rather save the time and resources for distro's to focus on making their distro better, adding better applications and so on.

My two cents.

4get wine and just add other programs that can run in both windows and linux, java comes to mind here (makes a few good internet games, altho kinda lagy and bad graphics :) ), if people want wine then they should have to add it sepratly or at elast tell the dirstro installer that they want it included, but it should not be included by defualt cuse its realy pointless, why move to a difrent OS just to use programs from another OS? (i know there is a need to do so in some casees (games, special businses programs ,etc), but you dont need to add more pointless software to a system wich has like 10,000 utils that most people never know what they do and like 500 tehy wil never use, and so teh distro will enver use)

Thats totally a bad analogy but I get it.

yes im new to linux. I would like the confort of programs im familiar with till I really understand linux and other OS's since they're not as user freindly as windows.

Anyone know of a good substitue for dreamweaver?

I do all my web pages using nothing more than a text editor. on Wintel machines (work) I use Notepad or DOS editor. and on Linux, I use VIM.

Whilst it seems very restrictive, I find that using a package like Dreamweaver adds bloat code to the HTML which takes up valuable space on the server.

It is obviously less user friendly, but for streamlined HTML coding there is nothing better.

For a more user friendly alternative try Openoffice.org.

I use kwrite as a replacement to Dreamweaver. Yeah it lacks some of the features but it has a few DW lacks, like pattern matching on syntax. If you click on the opening { in an if statement (php), the end } will also highlight. I cannot tell you how much time that has saved me in debugging my scripts.

OMG I just a mental picture of kewpie driving a boat erratically down a street and for some reason singing the theme song to Gilligan's Island.

;)

On Windows, I use Notepad. In Linux, I use any text editor I'm in the mood to use. It means, it's usually KWrite or Pico.

vi !
its only 2 keystrokes to launch ;)
web editor poll

build your own text editor. :) I did it for Windows and I'm doing it for Linux. Wine is a program that isn't used too often, I haven't ever had a need for it, and the only true need I could foresee is games (win or mac only) but that is about to change. We see more and more moving to Linux, with Novell and IBM, and sooner or later, there will be plenty more for Linux, and Microsoft for, well, it might be obsolete. Circle of evolution, things come and go, everything changes.

luckly linux can cahgne as much as it needs to :)

MarinN, try synce for your pocket pc

I for one never use wine, and I don't want it built into my system since I don't use it. However, if I were inclined to use it I can very easily install it with a simple emerge wine, so I guess it is like just about ever open source project out there with respect to Gentoo: Optional. And optional is ok with me.

Maybe Congress should look into Wine if they can't get the companies they hire to create their communications software to port their software to Linux....

ROFL - so true

I suspect there are accessability issues with wine that bother the distributors... though it would be nice to see some distributions come with a "bonus" CD of large, but fairly well used programs which are not normally bundled with the distribution. Then you can install them as you wish.

OTOH: this is what the LINUX Magazine DVD is for hmmm?

I wanted Wine to run Active Sync, but now I have found SynCE. I thought I'd like it or a DOSEMU for those old games I still like. (Quite a few people use Wine to run games.) While there are more and more apps etc for Linux, there will still be a demand for some emulation for other OS's for those situations where someone wants the program they are familiar with, or the one which linux cannot make the output files of and co-workers insist on that weird proprietary format, or one where the linux version is still in the early beta.

As has been observed - there are not many programs you'll want wine for. However, you may find wine indispensible for those few that you do.

Let us not dis those who still have the odd windows fetish - remember, it is often the financial commitment to Windows which makes users reluctant to switch.

Simon

PS: anyone seen a linux equivalent to MS Publisher?

I would like to see some popular dial up ISP's for linux along with some of the most popular apps just to bring more novice computer users come over to linux or any other windows competitor.


-Rob





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Huh - my system came with popular dialup already configured, however it was only for USA and EU and Australia. Sorry, I'm on a pacific island.

I'm surprised that the idiots at MS havn't made a MS-Linux. They should call it M$-Linux (seriously, everyone will anyway). They can port Office, Publisher, Explorer etc while keeping the code itself proprietary. They can add new modules, also proprietary.

The result will be a semi open-source Linux, with a heavily tainted kernel (so no OS-movement support). They could reverese their usual support by issuing the M$L for free but charging for support (as opposed to the other way around wot they do for Windows). And they could use their own GUI desktop if they want - call it L-Windows - since Lindows is already taken.

I suspect quite a few peolpe would go for it and it would really mess with the rest of the distributors.

Simon