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Old 02-19-2003, 07:09 AM   #1
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Why do I not notice that much difference? (Windowmaker vs. KDE)

Hey all,

After reading numerous posts about how much of a resource hog KDE is, I decided to swithc over to WindowMaker and learn to use that. I did, and I am now very comfortable using WM, but I have to say that I still prefer KDE (I think it is just much more integrated).

Now, when I am using WM I can see that it is much easier on the resources when I look at the top output. What I can not notice is any speed improvement (i.e. how fast the programs load, how fast the applications respond etc) whne compared to KDE.

Did anyone else notice this? My system definitely has much more free RAM when I am using WM, but even so, I don't notice any real performance difference. In fact I suspect that KDE may even preload some components ino the memory on startup, so some apps load even FASTER when I am using KDE as opposed to when I am using WM.

Has anyone else experienced this? If it matters, I have a Celeron 633, Geforce 2 MX400 (with the nvidia drivers installed) and 192 MB RAM. The pnly thing that sucks on my system is the speed of the HD, as reported by hdparm to be only 9 MB/s. It isn't such an old drive, so I don't know why it is so bad, and I have tweaked it to the max with hdparm.

Alsom just as a matter of interest, is there anyone else here that likes or uses KDE? It is always getting bashed, but someone must use it else the project would be scrapped...?
Old 02-19-2003, 07:19 AM   #2
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KDE is by far the most popular desktop on Linux, as it's so newbie friendly. but many of the people who help here don't like it as it's newbie friendly and doesn't suit what they are after, so use something decent like blackbox. mmmmmmmmm blackbox. becomes a pain helping peopple fix their problems sometimes as tehy keep talking about kde control panels etc.. and most of us have no idea what they are talking about

as for performance. your system isn't too old but may be slowed down by extraneous services i.e. servers that you don't need to be running and so forth. you're using mandrake, which is aimed to be a very simple system and as such likes to load a lot of crap automatically, so you may want to close some of these down
Old 02-19-2003, 07:20 AM   #3
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If you are launching KDE apps then you still have to wait for all the KDE related server stuff to load so the apps will work right. This will happen no matter which window manager you use.

KDE is great for migrating windows users. In my opinion KDE does exactly what it is meant to very well. Thing is I don't want to do what KDE does
Old 02-19-2003, 04:48 PM   #4
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Acid and others, thanks for the replies...

I am using RH7.3, I scrapped the Mandrake install, and I am currently busy evaluating RH8 to see if I should put it onto my main machines. I have disabled all the uncessary services and servers, and i still get lousy performance.

I think that I have pinpointed the problem, and that it lies in the IDE chipset that controls the HD. The HD that is giving me 8MB/s in the celly at work (which has a VIA 868 chipset) is giving me 28.9MB/s at home, in a ALi chipset machine. I have tweaked the disk the same in both machines, so it must be the chipset. Damn, I am actually going to try and install Linux on a machine with a k6-II 500Mhz CPU and the board which also has a ALi chipset to see what kind of results I get.

As far as KDE goes, I actually quite like it, but that doesn't mean that I don't find WM to be just as functional. I actually use both, depending on my mood...


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