Originally Posted by dugan

If the review is sufficiently intellegent, objective and constructive, then it might be worthy for LQ Articles. But I'd question whether a review of that quality is still "non geek".

A very informal here-are-my-immediate-thoughts review would fit best in his LQ blog.

Originally Posted by scrappydoo

Observations from a newbie living in the "real world":

Originally Posted by scrappydoo

Anyone that thinks Linux is anywhere near, even remotely as usable, easy to set up, functional "out of the box", and as easy to use as either Mac OS or Windows is extremely self-deluded, and they really need to realize and wake up to the fact that the vast majority of people want nothing to do with manually configuring anything, and they expect things to simply "work out of the box" with little to no effort required on their part, and this is what Mac OS and Windows provides to a great degree, but not Linux.

Originally Posted by scrappydoo

Beyond that there are no "real" Linux alternatives to many software programs for those other OSs, and people have already invested a considerable amount of time and money with what they are already using there to begin with.

Originally Posted by scrappydoo

Also there is a lot of snobbery, exclusivity, and a superiority complex among Linux users. They are far too often impatient and rude to newbies looking for help. People seem to think that's OK, because it's just the "geek" culture and mentality, well I say BS on that, and look where it's getting the community and Linux in general; nowhere!

Originally Posted by scrappydoo

Out here in the "real world" I know not one person that uses Linux or has any desire to. I myself have only "dabbled" in it off and on over the years, but have never been able to stick with it for many of the reasons I'm mentioning here, and I could never use it for business purposes and still can't by no fault of my own but doe to the inherit deficiencies in Linux. I am however attempting to give it another shot here right now for some general desktop use, but there’s no way I could use and depend on it exclusively, and that’s surely not going to change anytime soon if ever. I keep coming back and checking up on the progress and state of Linux every few years, and every time it’s about where it was the last time I checked, and here we go again, and that’s really a damn shame.

Originally Posted by scrappydoo

Linux is designed by geeks for geeks, always has been and still is, although Distros like Mint and such are really trying to make strides in changing this, not many are really doing a very good or even close to an acceptable job of it.

Originally Posted by scrappydoo

So since Linux is still really a "geeks only" OS, you won't see any non-geeks using it, and as a result you won't find a lot of non-geek reviews of it. Anybody that claims they aren’t a geek and uses Linux is either self-deluded or a bold faced liar.

Originally Posted by scrappydoo

Average people (non-geeks) do not and will not use Linux in its current state, period; that's just the way it is.

Originally Posted by scrappydoo

Linux is a dead-end OS for the desktop because of all this and more, and until all of this changes drastically, it never will be anything but dead to the masses. People simply don’t have the need, desire, or at the very least the time to invest in not only dealing with learning a very different OS, but one that is such a PITA to learn and maintain for the average person. Again, Linux has always been and still is a geeks only OS.

Originally Posted by scrappydoo

There is simply no good, reasonable, or compelling reason for the average person to switch from Mac OS or Windows to Linux, and they aren't and won't until things change drastically and significantly from what they still are today, and again, until then, Linux is as good as dead as a common desktop OS, that's just reality, that's just the facts, and none of this should be news to anyone in the community that’s been paying any attention over the years.

Originally Posted by scrappydoo

You say you love Linux and wish more people would use it, then pay attention to what average people; the non-geeks are trying to and have been telling you for years about why they can't and don't use Linux, and then do something about it instead of living in denial and blaming them for it all, which is only serving to perpetuate the problem.

Originally Posted by scrappydoo

Here's even more reasons why “Linux Sucks”, and even for advanced users:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh-cnaJoGCw

Originally Posted by scrappydoo

So since Linux is still really a "geeks only" OS, you won't see any non-geeks using it, and as a result you won't find a lot of non-geek reviews of it. Anybody that claims they aren’t a geek and uses Linux is either self-deluded or a bold faced liar. Average people (non-geeks) do not and will not use Linux in its current state, period; that's just the way it is.

Originally Posted by onebuck

Hi,

You have been a LQ member for a few years. So your perception over this short period from a qualified Gnu/Linux newbie covers everyone that is not familiar with Gnu/Linux. Not!

Judgement from uninformed newbie. There are many new Gnu/Linux users that have different perspective and open minded with the OS and kernel.

The opposite is true. I have introduced users to Gnu/Linux and most feel comfortable with the use once they get past the Microsoft mind set. Which you seem to present in a masked blind sense.


You have those personality senses with all human interactivity. Painting with a broad brush for a poor argument. We here at LQ try to help with problems presented to us. Sure, some members may reply in a fashion that may cause someone some concern but most try to communicate in a respectful, intelligent, and constructive manner. 'Linux in General', sorry to hear you have not had a positive experience, be it here at LQ or elsewhere. If and when you should have rude or out right violation while corresponding here at LQ, I suggest that you learn to use the <Report> button and include a good description of the situation within the report reply window. I for one am very proud of our members here at LQ for their helpful responses. When a LQ members abuses a fellow member, moderators attempt to correct the situation. Some of your points can be consider the same sense as you say the Linux community treats new members.

Please remember LQ is a world community, we have social locale issue along with communication barriers.
Real world or the world that you are exposed too? Gnu/Linux has changed and the evolution is on going. Some Gnu/Linux do provide hold your hand distribution that can be useful to someone willing to look at the OS that is ever evolving into a useful OS/Desktop. Android and other practical uses of Linux prove there are multitude of users that have objective insight to a ever improving appliance. Personally, I feel you have a closed mind when it comes to Linux or Gnu/Linux.

Linux the kernel is designed by professionals who have the insight to continually improve the kernel. Gnu/Linux maintainers are providing useful distributions that are targeted to specific groups. Maybe you just have not found the one that suits you.


Wrong again! Prejudiced statement and can be consider rude or attacking.
[MOD note] Please do not use this type of communication in a masked attack Look at LQ Rules[end Mod note]

No way Gnu/Linux or Linux are 'geek only! Here at LQ I have interacted with users that are not computer science graduates nor computer literate let alone tagged as 'Geeks'. These same people come here and try to get a solution(s) to the problem they are experiencing. Most are respectful and thankful for any help provided. You might consider changing your tone!

Read most of the above responses to your rant. Linux, nor Gnu/Linux are dead. You are living a gilded world with Microsoft induced bias.

No, that is your perception and biased by your previous Microsoft/MAC experiences. Closed minded!

Another diatribe! We do pay attention to LQ members and their input.


You did watch that video?

BTW, your post to this thread is on the edge of being on topic. Constructive contribution is on the fringe. My suggestion to you is to reason or think before posting in the manner you are now posting. Please re-read;

Originally Posted by Randicus Draco Albus

Really?
When I started using Linux I was computer illiterate (point and click), but I had no trouble using Linux. Not only do I not programme, but I have no hope of understanding code when I see it. Put bluntly, I am living proof that your claim is bovine excrement. (apologies to the moderators)


The reason for going on a Linux forum to tell Linux users you do not like Linux is what? I would consider myself awfully foolish if I posted on a Microsoft forum how much I dislike Windows and insulted Windows users by calling them mindless point-and-clickers.

The rest of the post steeped in bias based on ignorance is not worthy of further comment.