LinuxQuestions.org
Visit Jeremy's Blog.
Go Back   LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Linux Forums > Linux - General
User Name
Password
Linux - General This Linux forum is for general Linux questions and discussion.
If it is Linux Related and doesn't seem to fit in any other forum then this is the place.

Notices


View Poll Results: Which Desktop Operating System Do You Consider Your Primary?
BSD Variant 2 0.24%
ChromeOS 5 0.61%
Haiku 0 0%
Linux 674 82.30%
Mac OS X 33 4.03%
Other *NIX 3 0.37%
ReactOS 0 0%
Windows 98 11.97%
Other 4 0.49%
Voters: 819. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
  Search this Thread
Old 06-11-2016, 11:43 PM   #271
bobf
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Oct 2010
Posts: 13

Rep: Reputation: 1

And what pray tell does all this bull have to do with which OS you use???

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ned Radd View Post
Not to belittle Red Hat, Fedora, and Mandrake, but the Repositories on your side are not as extensive as with the Debian distros, of which Ubuntu or one of its deviants are most common. Lots of new software makes it to the Debian repositories first. and many 3rd party repositories offer deb packages for download. I began with Knoppicks and bought Mandrake and Red Hat disks my first few years, but Linux then was not what it is today, and it was slow go in the beginning. Then my job and the need to write new code in Powerbasic kept me locked to Windows for a few more years. Free at last, I went looking for what was running at the front, and found Ubuntu. But Unity/Dash on Ubuntu is not for me, too primitive, and I went for gnome classic, and that took mr to Metacity which I found suits me best. So when starting out, get several ISOs and see what you like before you lock in to one. And realize the desktop/interface is only part of the distro makeup, and you have choice there.

I remember a few efforts early on to bring in other interfaces/desktops/file managers for Windows, but Windows users were so locked into doing it the Microsoft way and with the Microsoft look and feel that these did not catch on. I had to live with that look and feel as part of my job as I was in user support as much as anything, and had to stay up to speed on what they dealt with daily.

Linux is Linux. But what sits on the Linux kernel depends on user preferences as much as anything. If a user feels he or she has a better approach, they can mix packages, add new code, and adopt any interface (Desktop/File Management/whatever) they want.

They can then offer it as their own distro, as long as they don't charge for it, except to cover basic costs. Most just ask for donations to help meet expenses, which is their right to do. The fact that you can get most or all of it free from other sources forces such requests to remain low.

It's possible to exchange packages between Depian and RPM using programs like alien, but this is usually frowned on and not widely supported. RPM has largely been superceeded by other methods such as yum. This is not my area of involvement, so I have no opinion in this area.

But Debian is deb and debsrc referenced sources and files in specific detail, and that is something of a constant. It is also coupled with PPAs and checksums and identity checks to ensure alternate sourcing and content validation. A pretty secure effort at making sure you get what was intended, so it has held up for years,

Key to good results often depends on knowing you are dealing with a known source that is consistent in its bahavior in such matters.

For instance, in dealing with a Public Affairs office or a press secretary, you know in advance they will only tell you as much as they want you to know , and it will be consistent with what the "official" line is. The press tries to bait them into saying too much, but if they are good at their job, they will evade these topics or give the "official" answer. In any case they have no right to make policy decisions.

It is only when a person in that position comes before the press can you hope to get the truth or solicit policy change. But these attempts are often short lived, as a person in power can end the interview at any time or redirect matters into a different channel.
Only when they are held accountable to a higher power can you keep at them and possibly force the truth out and into the open.

Only in exchange for leniency are some likely to speak out then, and you often only have their word for what they reveal. The truth is always revealed by facts, so unless they can present facts as well, the real truth remains obscure.

The only other thing that works is consistency in stories, where two or more who have no chance to collaborate give effectively the same account of whatever has occurred. Exact details won't agree, as humans don't see or remember things the same as the others present, so too much agreement, or a story told the same way each time, could be rehearsed and memorized.

Just a bit of knowledge I've picked up in watching the type of shows that interest me, where people of the law or science set out to find and deal with those outside the law.

I'm a big believer in laws, law enforcement be handles as efforts to find the real facts regardless of so-called human rights, and that convictions should be based on trial by facts and science and rules of logic.

This thing of a trial by peers where you are subject to convincing the untested and strange mix of people gathered for this one purpose, is greatly flawed. You probably already know what is true based on the science involved.

Juries can be swayed by emotions and made blind to facts, and restricted by a judge's ruling from hearing or knowing all the facts. That's not right. You don't get to the truth that way. Let the facts out regardless of how they are acquired, then base judgement on those, not what the judge, jury, and lawmakers deem appropriate.

You should only have to fear the truth, when the truth puts you in the wrong, and you have cause to fear the outcome of being shown to be in the wrong. If you are hones with yourself, you know you can't always be right or in the right, so admit when you were wrong in either account and be prepared to move on.

There are such things as being wrong for the right reasons, or right for the wrong reasons, and that is a part of life. The parking of planes in center of the field in rows at Hickam Field in Hawaii was right for preventing saboteurs from sneaking up on them, but wrong in that it left them in the open for strafing from the air by Japanese zeros during the attack that took place on Dec 7, 1941.

The Japaneses made a bad strategic error and a bad tactical decision in planning and carrying out the attack. The bad strategic plan was to plan to strike the oil storage plants on the third wave of the attack, not the 1st or 2nd. The tactical error was to leave without carrying out that third wave attack, apparently fearing that the American aircraft carriers would return from maneuvers while the attack was going on.

The importance of oil was that it fueled the U.S. Navy ships and was refined for gas and diesel fuel as well. Without fuel, the remaining ships and planes were limited to immediate stores. Had the refinery been hit as well, everything would have had to be shipped in. Hawaii has no oil reserves other than was in those tanks. Almost everything had to be shipped in by sea from far away, a slow process considering the distances involved. And those tankers and freighters would not have had much protection from navy ships or planes either, especially if they deployed and used up the limited fuel they had. So the importance of those storage tanks was not fully recognized at the time.

Just a way of showing the difference between short term and long term planning, especially when it comes to non-renewable resources. If America buys and uses foreign oil rather than use its own, it will still have its own when the foreign oil plays out. That would be the smart move in my book. Instead, people want to make money here by pumping our own. And instead of bringing in Canadian oil as we could, we are forcing them to sell it to other buyers, particularly China. In the long run, how does that
help us?

UIf America does not last, then we will be part of whatever takes its place. So will our decendents. Your kids and grandkids, if they survive, may think well or badly of you. Likely badly, as the freedoms allowed today will likely be done away with. The age of easy credit and living beyond your means, and the fallacy of putting an individual's rights first will be swept away by realisms that this does not work. We cannot spend more than we gain, and yet it is happening over and over. How is that possible? I have theories, but frankly, it can't last. What will bring it to an end is not known, but the world will bring an end to America at some point in retaliation.
 
Old 06-12-2016, 04:57 AM   #272
dave@burn-it.co.uk
Member
 
Registered: Sep 2011
Distribution: Puppy
Posts: 601

Rep: Reputation: 172Reputation: 172
And how does repeating it all help any??
 
4 members found this post helpful.
Old 06-12-2016, 06:07 AM   #273
jamison20000e
Senior Member
 
Registered: Nov 2005
Location: ...uncanny valley... infinity\1975; (randomly born:) Milwaukee, WI, US( + travel,) Earth( I wish,) END BORDER$!◣◢┌∩┐ Fe26-E,e...
Distribution: any GPL that works well on my cheapest; has been KDE or CLI but open... http://goo.gl/NqgqJx &c ;-)
Posts: 4,007
Blog Entries: 3

Rep: Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359
Thumbs up

[QUOTE=dave@burn-it.co.uk;5559666]I always wonder the same especially when it's a quote every other post or just too much unneeded reposting? (Except here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...thread-883385/ ... &c.)
 
Old 06-14-2016, 07:45 AM   #274
3r0s
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Sep 2010
Distribution: Debian, Ubuntu
Posts: 8

Rep: Reputation: 0
Only Ubuntu Linux LTS.
I also experiment with other Linux distros.
 
Old 06-14-2016, 02:33 PM   #275
Sanmayce
Member
 
Registered: Jul 2010
Location: Sofia
Posts: 59

Rep: Reputation: 11
Never saw graphical user interfaces better than Windows XP, that is, the classic theme, what is the best/prettiest *nix GUI around, also where can I find the respective distro?
I have seen KDE and Gnome, not impressed, the latter me likes more, though.
 
Old 06-14-2016, 03:03 PM   #276
Mitt Green
Member
 
Registered: May 2014
Location: Europe
Posts: 199

Rep: Reputation: 116Reputation: 116
Can't understand why BSD is used by only one person
I'd say, I use both Linux and BSD on my desktop. For a server I would go with BSD.
 
1 members found this post helpful.
Old 06-15-2016, 02:40 PM   #277
zzDave
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Apr 2016
Location: moving to Oregon
Posts: 4

Rep: Reputation: Disabled
Unhappy too soon

Look,I hate excuses but this is happening in the middle of selling my house and moving. It sucks, no time for me; well me+fun. The desktop for Linux just sits there wondering if I'm going to use it or box it up. Right now I rely on MS Win7 laptop. :-(
 
Old 06-15-2016, 07:12 PM   #278
jamison20000e
Senior Member
 
Registered: Nov 2005
Location: ...uncanny valley... infinity\1975; (randomly born:) Milwaukee, WI, US( + travel,) Earth( I wish,) END BORDER$!◣◢┌∩┐ Fe26-E,e...
Distribution: any GPL that works well on my cheapest; has been KDE or CLI but open... http://goo.gl/NqgqJx &c ;-)
Posts: 4,007
Blog Entries: 3

Rep: Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359
Thumbs up

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitt Green View Post
Can't understand why BSD is used by only one person
I'd say, I use both Linux and BSD on my desktop. For a server I would go with BSD.
"Primary?" Is quite different than here:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ml#post5549416

...but, still?!.
 
Old 06-15-2016, 07:14 PM   #279
jamison20000e
Senior Member
 
Registered: Nov 2005
Location: ...uncanny valley... infinity\1975; (randomly born:) Milwaukee, WI, US( + travel,) Earth( I wish,) END BORDER$!◣◢┌∩┐ Fe26-E,e...
Distribution: any GPL that works well on my cheapest; has been KDE or CLI but open... http://goo.gl/NqgqJx &c ;-)
Posts: 4,007
Blog Entries: 3

Rep: Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanmayce View Post
Never saw graphical user interfaces better than Windows XP, that is, the classic theme, what is the best/prettiest *nix GUI around, also where can I find the respective distro?
I have seen KDE and Gnome, not impressed, the latter me likes more, though.
...try and catch them all, lol.

(Add: after me just posting about over quoting. )

Last edited by jamison20000e; 06-17-2016 at 05:56 PM.
 
Old 06-16-2016, 01:26 AM   #280
Mitt Green
Member
 
Registered: May 2014
Location: Europe
Posts: 199

Rep: Reputation: 116Reputation: 116
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamison20000e View Post
"Primary?" Is quite different than here:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ml#post5549416

...but, still?!.
Yeah, I've been dual(triple)-booting Linux and BSD for quite a long time. Most of the time it's Debian (without systemd and slightly different userland), some other distro occasionally (like, say, Slackware or CRUX or even CentOS 6, maybe will try Alpine) and NetBSD. I'd go with the last one, but I spent so much time with Debian, configuring it (and still do) and I write/test some base userland things - for NetBSD there is no need to create a new userland.
 
Old 06-16-2016, 04:20 AM   #281
jamison20000e
Senior Member
 
Registered: Nov 2005
Location: ...uncanny valley... infinity\1975; (randomly born:) Milwaukee, WI, US( + travel,) Earth( I wish,) END BORDER$!◣◢┌∩┐ Fe26-E,e...
Distribution: any GPL that works well on my cheapest; has been KDE or CLI but open... http://goo.gl/NqgqJx &c ;-)
Posts: 4,007
Blog Entries: 3

Rep: Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359Reputation: 1359
Cool Cool.

Couldn't tell you how many distros are in my spindles (more than 100's? )

Things maybe going in too many directions for me these days I'm about to cut systemd out of Sid for a while here and see? I currently dual-boot it with Jessie (in case Sid crashes*) and bounce around with a lot of DEs & WMs but if I run Jessie ever it's only updates or VMs (same a Sid.)

Here's some good info(\plus-opinions) going towards the BSDs now:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...se-4175582349/

Last edited by jamison20000e; 06-21-2016 at 01:55 AM. Reason: added 's honestly! :D :D :D and: (same a Sid )
 
Old 06-16-2016, 11:51 AM   #282
Mitt Green
Member
 
Registered: May 2014
Location: Europe
Posts: 199

Rep: Reputation: 116Reputation: 116
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamison20000e View Post
Couldn't tell you how many distros are in my spindles (more than 100? )

Things maybe going in too many directions for me these days I'm about to cut systemd out of Sid for a while here and see? I currently dual-boot it with Jessie (in case Sid crashes*) and bounce around with a lot of DEs & WMs but if I run Jessie ever it's only updates or VMs.

Here's some good info(\plus-opinions) going towards the BSDs now:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...se-4175582349/
Here's the list, in case you haven't seen it yet.

To remove systemd you can use angband.pl repository (deb http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main in my case) or use Devuan (more later). In both cases you should pin systemd and libsystemd0. Also don't expect GNOME or KDE or Mate to work. Xfce has been working back then but I don't use it anymore. Also Sid doesn't break, unless you use something heavy, like systemd or GNOME or KDE and so on. I once experienced Xorg update that require modifying some config files but that's it.

On Devuan: Their support for Unstable sucks, meaning package versions that require modification lag behind Debian's. What is even worse, sometimes it happens with Stable. They also add some crap over standard Debian, like GRUB2 themes.

The only thing left is udev, which is, as you know, a part of systemd, so we have to replace it. I'm currently trying to do it with smdev, BusyBox' mdev fork, but it certainly requires some work, with Xorg configuration files to be exact (things like keymapping (because of evdev) or hot plugging are not expected to work themselves). Devuan (Jude Nelson, he's somewhere on this forum, too, I believe) develops vdev (or another link), another udev replacement, that probably will make a default Devuan installation one day.
 
1 members found this post helpful.
Old 06-17-2016, 05:47 PM   #283
Ned Radd
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Apr 2016
Posts: 20

Rep: Reputation: Disabled
It Depends on What You Want Your Desktop to Be and Do For You

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanmayce View Post
Never saw graphical user interfaces better than Windows XP, that is, the classic theme
Oh, XP was nice, I grant you. But get past the IMG glitz, I want a desktop that is orderly, easy to work with, less glitz, and easy to read, and lets me have 2 or more panels, as one is never enough. Metacity, which can be added to other distros, does that for me.

And if you install gnome-session-flashback, you get Metacity and Compiz interfaces with it. Plus you have your default, what you have already, to choose between.
 
Old 06-18-2016, 01:14 AM   #284
zpimp
Member
 
Registered: Oct 2014
Posts: 73

Rep: Reputation: Disabled
antix linux, debian based is my main os cause its fast and functional
imo nothing can compare to it
 
Old 06-18-2016, 03:50 AM   #285
linustalman
Senior Member
 
Registered: Mar 2010
Location: Ireland
Distribution: Debian 10 (Buster) x64
Posts: 4,154

Rep: Reputation: 440Reputation: 440Reputation: 440Reputation: 440Reputation: 440
Quote:
Originally Posted by zpimp View Post
antix linux, debian based is my main os cause its fast and functional
imo nothing can compare to it
I love MX Linux from the Mepis community. I may give their antiX distro another try.
 
  


Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
My desktop has has no current operating system schultz1988 Linux - Newbie 23 09-06-2012 08:43 AM
[SOLVED] What is a good desktop operating system for me to use? shaunsingh14 Linux - Desktop 21 08-20-2011 01:47 AM
What operating system to install on rebuilt Desktop vivgribble Linux - Distributions 3 06-09-2007 10:58 AM
LXer: Linux, not only a Desktop Operating System LXer Syndicated Linux News 0 04-18-2007 10:46 AM
installing windows xp as a secondary operating system with fedora as primary luckystrikes7 Linux - General 6 10-26-2004 11:39 AM

LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Linux Forums > Linux - General

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:45 PM.

Main Menu
Advertisement
My LQ
Write for LQ
LinuxQuestions.org is looking for people interested in writing Editorials, Articles, Reviews, and more. If you'd like to contribute content, let us know.
Main Menu
Syndicate
RSS1  Latest Threads
RSS1  LQ News
Twitter: @linuxquestions
Open Source Consulting | Domain Registration