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View Poll Results: What is the uptime on your main Linux desktop?
Less than a day 65 27.78%
1 - 10 days 52 22.22%
11-30 days 39 16.67%
31-100 days 24 10.26%
101 - 364 days 21 8.97%
Over 1 year 9 3.85%
Over 2 years 8 3.42%
Over 3 years 4 1.71%
Over 5 years 8 3.42%
Over 10 years 4 1.71%
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Old 03-21-2016, 04:30 PM   #106
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I don't understand why people have desktops in the first place. All of my "desktops" now are laptops or mini-tops (pi's, IoT devices, repurposed smartphones, etc..)
I sometimes eat and drink while in from of the desktop computer. I have accidentally spill liquid on my keyboard a few times. If this were a laptop, I would have spend lots of money on keyboard replacement and repair on the laptop. With a desktop keyboard, it will just cost $10 to $20 dollars to replace.
 
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Old 03-21-2016, 04:39 PM   #107
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I sometimes eat and drink while in from of the desktop computer. I have accidentally spill liquid on my keyboard a few times. If this were a laptop, I would have spend lots of money on keyboard replacement and repair on the laptop. With a desktop keyboard, it will just cost $10 to $20 dollars to replace.
I'm a hypocrite on this issue, so my take on this nearly negligible. But one of the first things I did for all my electronic devices was to make sure any liquids near them were capped, covered or strategically placed so as to have the liquid and device separate from each other. I wish I had $10-$20 USD to spend so easily. I do not. Therefore, i try to minimize the potential of spills. That being said, I tell my clients that same thing you tell me. lol
 
Old 03-22-2016, 08:02 AM   #108
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There may be some truth in that but as a general rule it doesn't hold up at all. The number of people running machines for upwards of 5 years or even upwards of 10 without a hitch who turn them on and off every day is huge. So, even if the lifetime could be extended by a factor of ten that's pretty pointless when, for most people*, a machine over ten years old is next to useless anyhow.
There simply would not be the case that businesses employ programs to shut computers down every day across their whole fleet if it meant a lot more hardware failure -- they would be quick to find if it were a flawed money saving idea.
Also, leaving a computer on constantly all year for a year in many countries costs more than a decent PSU.

*Those who like to run "modern" tasks of the time.
But I still use my 11+ year old Toshiba laptop almost daily, it's very useful for me. And it still has the best keyboard feel of any laptop or desktop I've used. Running Debian Jessie, Ubuntu, and Mint.
Upgraded memory, new DVDRW+- (previous one died), upgraded HD
 
Old 03-22-2016, 01:43 PM   #109
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But I still use my 11+ year old Toshiba laptop almost daily, it's very useful for me. And it still has the best keyboard feel of any laptop or desktop I've used. Running Debian Jessie, Ubuntu, and Mint.
Upgraded memory, new DVDRW+- (previous one died), upgraded HD
That's as maybe but I would guess for moist people the lack of things like even Adobe's horrific Flash, for example, makes machines that old of very limited use.
Would you expect most people you know to accept an 11 year old laptop as their main computing device?
Mind you, how many times have you powered the laptop on and off? If it's fairly regularly, then, apparently you could get 110 years out of it! Wouldn't it be useful in 110 years time!
The above being my main point -- for the majority of people a machine which lasts 5 to 10 years is enough and spending more on power in the hope it will last a lot longer would be a waste.
For example, for the price of your old laptop's power requirements over 5.5 years (if you left it off half the time) I bet you could purchase a Raspberry Pi, acceptable monitor and decent keyboard. OK, for you personally I bet the laptop's better but in terms of computing-power for money it gets more tricky.
 
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Old 03-29-2016, 07:23 PM   #110
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not counting occasional reboot my machine runs non stop....over three years
 
Old 03-30-2016, 01:26 AM   #111
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I don't understand why people have desktops in the first place. All of my "desktops" now are laptops or mini-tops (pi's, IoT devices, repurposed smartphones, etc..) It's wasteful to have various devices that have some capability to run simple Unix commands. These devices consume a lot less power and if they are idle, they should be shared so other people can use them. Most people have some unawareness that one does not have to "switch" off the lights anymore. They can be dimmed, change colors, or be in a low-power state with smart bulbs. Anything solid-state and LED / optic-like can be used to consume as much power as a USB thumb drive now. <<< Fixed it for You in 2016. ^.^
People make decisions based on many things from being the "trendy thing to do" to just being practical and getting the right tool for the job.

Laptops are great if you want portability and you can use a docking station at home to display on a decent sized screen. The problem with laptops is that they are more expensive than a desktop with equivalent performance, however the desktop is not that portable.

For home use I prefer my desktop which I built myself, being a Skylake Core i7-6700, 16GB DDR4 RAM, 120GB SSD for system and 3TB 7200rpm HDD storage including monitor for about US$1000. The whole system is easy to maintain and expand if I require it. To get the same thing in a laptop would probably require me spending over US$2000 and also purchase a docking station and monitor, in addition it would only have limited and usually expensive expansion potential. If I need portability a cheap or one of my old laptops and/or my tablet would suffice.

Note: My Desktop is not that difficult to transport either since the mini tower is not heavy and I have a wireless Keyboard & Mouse as well as a HDMI lead to connect to any screen that can take a HDMI cable or I can take my monitor but that is risky for the monitor.

As far as power consumption goes my total desktop consumes about 60W (20W of that is the monitor) when idle or doing simple tasks such as web browsing and torrenting. Of course if I do video editing then the power consumption goes up to 150W and my core CPU temperatures can hit 75C. When I am not using the PC I can either turn it off (boot takes less then 60 seconds for me to do anything) or I can just put my monitor into standby.

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Old 05-29-2016, 06:31 AM   #112
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My desktop is suspended or turned off every night as I have no shares in the national electrical company ;]
Our little NAS is rebooted once a month since it has most of the essential features configured.

What kernel was it ten years ago already?
 
Old 05-29-2016, 07:00 AM   #113
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I don't understand why people have desktops in the first place. All of my "desktops" now are laptops or mini-tops (pi's, IoT devices, repurposed smartphones, etc..) It's wasteful to have various devices that have some capability to run simple Unix commands. These devices consume a lot less power and if they are idle, they should be shared so other people can use them. Most people have some unawareness that one does not have to "switch" off the lights anymore. They can be dimmed, change colors, or be in a low-power state with smart bulbs. Anything solid-state and LED / optic-like can be used to consume as much power as a USB thumb drive now. <<< Fixed it for You in 2016. ^.^
How often do we need to upgrade a laptop (and what component can we do)?
My desktop is a brand new machine from
- box, optical drive: 2005
- 66 cm diagonal screen: 2008
- 4 spinning hard drives (including backup): 2004 to 2015
- 1 SSD, 1 Core i3 IvyBridge, quality PSU green and mobo: 2013
- 1 Cherry MX mecha keyboard: 2015
- 2 4GB DDR3: 2016

Electrical consumption: 33 Wh average + screen (10 Wh? I forgot)
Note: made an appreciated upgrade for my father's desktop with the original Athlon64, mobo and two HDDs (Raid really boosts an older *desktop*)
Does it handle all my needs? Oh yeah fully - credit goes to Arch Linux.

Total cost of components and accessories over twelve years of daily use: 1200 EUR + electrical bill 150 EUR.

Would I have achieved that workflow working comfortably going with laptops? With three nice ones (2005, 2010, 2015) + screen + HDDs + RAM + docking station but without raid nor being able to upgrade a parent's PC for free. For about 2500 EUR + 100 EUR electricity. What a waste.
 
Old 05-30-2016, 04:22 PM   #114
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Out of the 24 hours in one day, my computer is switched on approx 3 day light hours and 2 night time hours...Therefore switched off for 19 hours total.....
 
  


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