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Old 03-08-2011, 03:47 PM   #31
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It's true that its installer is a bit agricultural compared to the luxurious Ubuntu one - but then in theory you only use it once.
That depends on what luxury is for you. For me it that I can setup the installer in that way I want, not to get fancy graphics and less choice.
But as always, YMMV.
 
Old 03-08-2011, 03:56 PM   #32
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Hmm. I'll admit to being a bit rusty on the installer - the last two times I used debootstrap - but exactly where do you say there's less choice with the Ubuntu one?
 
Old 03-08-2011, 04:04 PM   #33
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Get the Ubuntu standard CD and try to set up a system without desktop, but with mail-server and SSH-server. Or try to install Maverick (in my eyes somewhat like Testing) or Natty (Unstable?) with a Lucid-CD (Stable?).
I always use the businesscard-CD for all my installs, with choosing the expert option. Can't get more options. Of course you can use the Ubuntu alternate-CD, but that uses basically the Debian-installer.
 
Old 03-08-2011, 04:10 PM   #34
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Fair enough. Those are all things I've never wanted to do.
 
Old 03-10-2011, 10:34 AM   #35
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I usually install Debian Sid with the net install image. The only time I had an issue was when the installer would let me choose Grub Legacy, then force me to use Grub 2 after giving me the choice not too. I've done the same type of install on my old Mac G4 without any issues. I've never actually sat down to use Ubuntu for 10 min, but I didn't really care for it.

Aren't the Ubuntu releases similar to Debian Sid? I remember comparing the repos one time and saw some packages in Debian Sid newer, some in Ubuntu were newer, a lot were the same. I've heard people having issues updating to new releases of Ubuntu. I like with Sid I can upgrade everything without waiting for a full release..
 
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Aren't the Ubuntu releases similar to Debian Sid? I remember comparing the repos one time and saw some packages in Debian Sid newer, some in Ubuntu were newer, a lot were the same. I've heard people having issues updating to new releases of Ubuntu. I like with Sid I can upgrade everything without waiting for a full release..
Ubuntu is based on Debian Sid, except the LTS versions, they are based on Testing.
 
Old 03-10-2011, 11:28 AM   #37
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Aren't the Ubuntu releases similar to Debian Sid? I remember comparing the repos one time and saw some packages in Debian Sid newer, some in Ubuntu were newer, a lot were the same.
Aside from the whole rolling release/fixed release thing, there is development method.

Sid gets new packages from debian experimental. There is a whole extra layer of testing compared to the way that ubuntu includes whatever they have updated.

Ubuntu takes sid, then adds whatever they want. That is the 'alpha1' version of whatever the next version of ubuntu will be, and its officially in the 'testing' phase.

Ubuntu normally add the newest kernel they can find, the newest xorg and various other bit and pieces, and if they are buggy, hope that an upstream fix is released before the offical release date (as far as I know, ubuntu doesnt do a huge amount of 'fixing' themselves, the software engineers ubuntu has normally work on doing other ubuntu-only stuff or modding software to suit ubuntu).

That is why ubuntu can have newer version of some software, whatever newest software has been included in the aplha1 which sid hasnt got yet. Some stuff the same, software that ubuntu has taken from sid and there hasnt been a newer version come down from experimental, or software that ubuntu has included a newer version than sid had on making the alpha1 release but sid has caught up. Some stuff is newer in sid, normally software than ubuntu hasnt changed from sid but a newer version has come down to sid during the testing phase.

Ubuntu used to be far more like sid, but as time goes on they are getting further apart.

*edit- opps, yes, I should have put thaty in. TobiSGD is right, the LTS versions are based on testing not sid

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Old 03-10-2011, 04:30 PM   #38
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Debian installations have always been painful on my laptop, especially getting wireless to work. That doesn't stop it from being the best Linux distribution in the world IMO.

No one is forcing you to choose Debian. There are other Linux distributions available that are "user-friendly." I have found that many people disenchanted with Debian expect it to be preconfigured out of the box, like Ubuntu or Mint.
 
  


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