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Old 08-23-2019, 06:08 AM   #91
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Perhaps I will organize SystemFree to become a reality, who knows.. Perhaps I'll even organize everything when the time is right and dish out money to do it as well.

I never said I wouldn't do that.
 
Old 08-23-2019, 06:18 AM   #92
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That's wrong. It's not a thread to bash systemd (or, well, technically with pun it perhaps is). It was born out of a systemd bashing/discussion thread:
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...96/page23.html
All you've done is complain about how bad you think systemd is. I do actually believe that this thread is "born out" of the one cited above, but not because the thread you cite was to "bash systemd"... but because you didn't like the responses in it.

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If the intent was an end product or not is irrelevant. It was merely to open the discussion. It is NOT about systemd, it is about SystemFree (as a theoretical project).
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The intent has everything to do with this. It most certainly IS about systemd, because that's why you supposedly want to create "an alternative" to systemd. And all you've done is talk about your perceived problems with systemd.

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Go contribute to systemd instead.
Why? I'm not the one taking issue with it, nor am I interested in "designing" an "alternative" to it, when there already are "alternatives" to systemd - as has been pointed out not only by myself, but also by others that have responded to this thread. Again, why would I download "SystemFree" (if it actually existed in the first place to download) when I can just use an existing "alternative" (like runit) that HAS been tested and proven to work? You never answered that.

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But if you are at all interested or enticed or have thoughts about anything related to this thread or said in this thread, then please share those, they are much needed.
I have shared my thoughts - both above, and in previous posts to this very thread. And also in the thread you cite above.
 
Old 08-23-2019, 06:24 AM   #93
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All you've done is complain about how bad you think systemd is. I do actually believe that this thread is "born out" of the one cited above, but not because the thread you cite was to "bash systemd"... but because you didn't like the responses in it.
Not sure why you are even here if all you do is want to bicker and be negative. You have contributed nothing to the thread, yet here you are still with your silly claims and putting your dictated thoughts into other peoples mind as if your (incorrect) interpretations are actually the thoughts of other people. I guess you're the same guy who was here on this thread earlier trying to dictate what people can/should and cannot/should not discuss. Am I right?

Right now, as things stand you are trolling this thread and refuse to stay on topic.

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Old 08-23-2019, 06:48 AM   #94
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You posted a [pointless] thread asking for people's thoughts about your non-existent "SystemFree init system". Not only myself, but others have made valid points that are very relevant to the topic at hand. Anyone who has dared to disagree with your perceived view that "there are no alternatives to systemd" (other than maybe SYSVINIT), you have proceeded to accuse them of "trolling" and/or being "off-topic".

You still have not answered at some of the valid questions asked (like the question I've asked you twice now, and am still wanting for an answer to). And you still expect people to "design" your "alternative" to systemd for you, let alone agree to actually write something for you. But anyone who dares to disagree is "trolling" and/or "off-topic" ? Please, spare me.

Have you even written some much as even just one line of code for "SystemFree" ? I doubt it is as easy as you think it is - at least the developers of runit, etc didn't just sit there complaining, they DONE something about it instead.

But since that's the way you feel about it; enjoy your pointless thread, I'm out.

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Old 08-23-2019, 12:49 PM   #95
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I'm still waiting for that SystemFree repository to be opened somewhere.
It doesn't have to contain actual code yet, but it should contain a sort of meta-technical outline of what the project wants to accomplish, and how.
It would show that somebody is serious about it, and would soon reveal how many more people are interested in contributing.
Here on LQ, it will remain a rant.
 
Old 08-23-2019, 01:42 PM   #96
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Keep spewing out your gall here, or just go away.

Both reported for not staying on topic and trolling the thread.

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Old 08-23-2019, 04:34 PM   #97
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Old 08-23-2019, 05:10 PM   #98
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@zeebra
Members do have the right to query your responses or lack of answering valid queries. No trolling seen in either reported posts.
His opinion that the thread is pointless and repeatedly showing he has not understood what the thread is even about by repeating the OpenRC stuff is not exactly a valid contribution. The intent behind it is clearly to just be obnoxious, not in any way with an aim to contribute to this thread. I'd take productive criticism in a different way, but it's not productive, it's just a repetition of the same thing again and again and it has already been addressed several times.

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Old 08-23-2019, 10:39 PM   #99
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You are drifting from your topic and by your continued defense will not help this thread nor yourself.

So you can help things move along if your future postings are on topic and constructive.

Please consider rereading LQ Rules and maybe this will help you with future posts; https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...hp?faq=welcome

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Old 08-24-2019, 05:16 AM   #100
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I think due to the insistent whining and bickering on this thread by some people, I'll actually try to make it real instead.

Process is still the same, but with the end goal of me eventually putting my own money into setting up infrastructure for development and trying to raise the fund for a development attracting scheme (expensive bounty system). If we get the planning in order and the thoughts surrounding it and all the other dependencies to actually get started, that's what I'll do.

I'll set up a non-profit company for that purpose.

Additionally I'll try to gather a team of likeminded people who share the same goals and organize these in a way.

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Old 08-24-2019, 01:26 PM   #101
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Money?
Why not start with a git repo on any number of free platforms?
 
Old 08-24-2019, 05:26 PM   #102
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Money?
Why not start with a git repo on any number of free platforms?
Because that's what it was about from the beginning and that's what the kewl kids are doing... Next it will be a gofundme page. Script Kiddies
 
Old 08-24-2019, 05:30 PM   #103
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His opinion that the thread is pointless and repeatedly showing he has not understood what the thread is even about by repeating the OpenRC stuff is not exactly a valid contribution. The intent behind it is clearly to just be obnoxious, not in any way with an aim to contribute to this thread. I'd take productive criticism in a different way, but it's not productive, it's just a repetition of the same thing again and again and it has already been addressed several times.
https://github.com/OpenRC/openrc
https://opensource.guide/how-to-contribute/
https://www.patreon.com/sysvinit
https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/htm.../msg00000.html
http://smarden.org/runit/
https://skarnet.org/software/s6/
 
Old 08-25-2019, 01:16 AM   #104
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Hei ChuangTzu, didn't you want to
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现在呆在远处。
???

You said it thrice already in this thread.
 
Old 08-25-2019, 03:58 AM   #105
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I know and I like all of them, but I don't think any of them solve "the problem".

I also already said "fork of SysV" exactly because the goal and end result would be so different than SysV that it would make no sense to try to change it or contribute to it. However, as I said, the goal would be to contribute something useful to ALL of those init projects, mainly in forked systemd software, but also in core daemons that they could use themselves.

Take OpenRC, it does not create a bridge between SysV and systemd, which is something I've mentioned many times as one of the goals of SystemFree. Same goes for replacing systemd, something many clearly did not understand.

I guess I'll just keep repeating it and use those people who are just here to be unpleasant to really hammer the point to everyone who might peek. That way those unpleasant people will really help me in getting that point across since I'll need to repeat the same thing on every page.

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