Suse is FREE?

mikeshn · 08-24-2003, 09:47 AM

I got Linux live version that runs from CD. It is kind of DEMO verison. What is the meaninig of live version? Is it possible to download SuSE full version on the internet for free?

P.S IS live version supports X window ?

Thanks

Skyline · 08-24-2003, 09:50 AM

A live version is simply a version thats self contained and boots from cd rom or floppy, has no need to interact with your hard drive - its ususally a safe and usefull way to try Linux - Knoppix is a good example

If I remember correctly there's an FTP service for getting hold SUSE.

If youve got the live version of SUSE 8.2 then yes - youll boot staright into X Windows.

CyberMacro · 08-24-2003, 10:05 AM

You can download almost every distribution (including SuSe) at http://www.linuxiso.org. Hmmm... think i like that site

But i advice you to use slackware, it's kinda more an unix-like system. Suse is almost a windows remake (no offense).

trickykid · 08-24-2003, 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by CyberMacro
You can download almost every distribution (including SuSe) at http://www.linuxiso.org. Hmmm... think i like that site But i advice you to use slackware, it's kinda more an unix-like system. Suse is almost a windows remake (no offense).

The only Suse iso you can download is the live eval cd to use. To download Suse, you will have to FTP it...

asxtc · 08-31-2003, 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by CyberMacro
Suse is almost a windows remake (no offense).

Nooooooooooo!!!!
CyberMacro....Please say you didnt mean that!!

Ive worked Win2000 servers for eons...then I find this old SuSe software pack in the cellar (last week) and this is the weekend where I attempt to "Get Linuxed"....I join the newbies club...take part in posts (Ive got a little boot problem) just about to order a TUX T-Shirt and I read .............

Andy

graffitici · 08-31-2003, 04:39 PM

What if (and this is just a what-if), I find a site on the net that lets me download all 5 of the SuSe cds for free? Is this illegal,
downloading the ISO files and burning them on cd?

pilotgi · 08-31-2003, 05:40 PM

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What if (and this is just a what-if), I find a site on the net that lets me download all 5 of the SuSe cds for free?

Let us know if you find a site like that. I don't think there is one. SuSE has a "no ISO's" policy.

graffitici · 08-31-2003, 05:44 PM

Well precisely, I got 5 SuSe ISO images (I am not sure they work). Is this legal or not. If it is, I'll give you the URLs.
I don't think SuSe provided them. If they have been ripped form CDs and then published, is this a fraud?

blakerwry · 08-31-2003, 05:58 PM

i thought linux was published under the GNU software license... One of the terms of the license that the software must be able to be distributed later if a holder of the software wishes...

So company A makes the software and releases it under the GNU... company B modifies it and can sell it if they wish.. but keeping under the GNU, company C can take company B's software and give it way free if they wish. This may seem counter intuitive, but it is the way the GNU works. (from what I understand)

So basically, if you don't want your software to be given away then don't publish it under the GNU... What the GNU does protect against is stealing of intelectual property. (for instance taking someone's software and using their code in your own program and then not allowing people the same rights to your program)

What I see here is that Linux was published under the GNU... Linux was modified and packaged by SUSE under the GNU... someone repackaged SUSE into ISO's and is giving it away.

I would think it would be legal.

graffitici · 08-31-2003, 06:04 PM

Ok, now that we have our explanation (thank god we got lawyers on the planet!) I don't see why everybody wouldn't take profit of the 5 free SuSe cds. I have downloaded my current RedHat 9 this way, so there is no reason they don't work (and if they don't, then don't blame me, you wanted it!). Here's your birthday present pilotgi:

SuSE Linux v8.2:
[Edited out URL's]

guldo · 08-31-2003, 06:18 PM

What's all this fussing about SuSe for?!?

Take it easy and download a debian iso instead!

Guldo

2damncommon · 08-31-2003, 07:03 PM

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One of the terms of the license that the software must be able to be distributed later if a holder of the software wishes...

Not exactly...
SUSE and Solaris ISOs?

fsbooks · 08-31-2003, 07:35 PM

There is no requirement that iso's be available. The compiled software and the source are available from Suse as well as from other sites. And of course, the iso's are otherwise available.

And I use slackware. LFS, redhat, and suse. They are all linux at the heart. The windows reputation of suse is I think is only due to the default "look and feel" of the default KDE which of course the user is free to change, along which just about any other aspect of it. BTW, my use of suse is as a ftp/http server which is administered by remote login in terminals -- suse was chosen because at the time it had the best support for old IBM RS6000 PPC boxes.

TACD · 08-31-2003, 10:06 PM

Does anyone know the reason for SuSE's mysterious 'no ISOs' policy?

By the way blakerwry, I think you meant to say GPL instead of GNU

2damncommon · 08-31-2003, 10:12 PM

I just remember reading something about the YAST license.

Distribution of the YaST programme, its sources, whether amended or unamended in full or in part thereof, and the works derived thereof for a charge require the prior written consent of SuSE Linux AG.

Making YaST or works derived thereof available free of charge together with SuSE Linux on FTP Servers and mailboxes is permitted if the licences on the software are observed.

Perhaps there are other issues?