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Old 02-25-2005, 10:22 PM   #76
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kde was hogging up 260mb ram just idling on my system most of the time suse linux 9.1 pro. on a p4 1.5 640mb ram. I started shutting down unneeded services .that helpewd somewhat.I upgraded the entire system today.to suse 9.2 pro with the 2.6.8 kernel. I tweaked my options and turned on all the fancy graphics menu. kde now idles at 80 mb consistently. I'm lead to beleive there may be memory leaks in the 2.6.4 kernel.
 
Old 02-26-2005, 09:51 AM   #77
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Re: Back again...

Quote:
Originally posted by rollo
How to turn of this 5-second scratch? It's driving me nuts, as you guys say over there.
I don't think this has much to do with journaling. The thing is some process(es) in your system constantly read some file(s). That is normal and is not the problem in itself, because if a file is read often, the kernel will keep it in memory, but Linux file systems keep track of file access times. Every time a file is read, the kernel will change the access time stamp. That means every disk read turns into a disk write.

To make it stop type
Code:
mount -o remount,noatime /
as root. If you have more than one partition mounted, you may need to give the command for them as well.

Using the following commands is also suggested.
Code:
man mount
man fstab

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Old 02-26-2005, 09:53 AM   #78
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Originally posted by zajelo3
rollo, I don't think you can turn off journaling on a journaling fs. If your using the ext3 fs you might be able to convert to ext2 fs which is non-journaling.
As far as I know, every ext3 file system can be mounted as ext2 (which disables journaling and I think may mess it up), but I don't think it's a good idea.
 
Old 02-26-2005, 10:12 AM   #79
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I purchased the book "Point & Click Linux" by Robin Miller at Linux World after listening to him discuss "Linux on the Desktop." Included in the book is a copy of the Mepis distro. I booted the CD and was running the full distro from CD on a PIII 700 Dell Laptop w/172M Ram. Programs fired up and ram rather well considering I was running off of a CD. What really amazed me was the following...1) I had 4 printers found on the hotel's network; 2) I had use of the wireless card (I haven't been able to get it working w/ 4 other distros); 3) open office and programs worked very quickly 4) I was able to access the NTFS WinXP filesystem of the laptop. I would highly recommend the Mepis distro to any newbie. If you boot a live distro from CD to run well on a laptop, the install and use should be just as easy.

Give it a try.
 
Old 02-26-2005, 05:43 PM   #80
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I had the same problem

I was experiencing a similar problem where everything my computer was opening/running REALLY slow. When doing hdparm -tT /dev/hda i would get " Timing buffered disk reads:" to be < 5MB/s. I am on a Dell Inspiron 8200 with a 60GB HD. After of hours of searching for a solution, I found out that a process called "haldaemon" was the problem. Apparently, it checks for media and automatically mounts drives. If your HD and cdrom are on the same IDE, haldaemon bogs down the connection and messes with your HD transfer rate. I looked at chkconfig --list and changed haldaemon at runlevel 5 to "off" by using "chkconfig --level 5 haldaemon off"
I just recently did it, so im not 100% sure of the consequences of doing this, but I think the only thing it makes you do is mount drives manually.

This is my first post btw

Jim
 
Old 02-26-2005, 07:35 PM   #81
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Re: Shocked newbie discovers... Linux is slower than Windows!

Quote:
Originally posted by rollo
It wasn't supposed to be like this! I migrated from Windows to Linux in order to squeeze some speed out of my system. But my computer has never run slower than now.

Everyone goes on and on about Microsoft's "bloatware", but my clean install of Suse 9.1 is grindingly sluggish compared to Windows XP. Every operation, every window manoeuvre sets the hard drive chugging for long seconds, even minutes. Opening OpenOffice takes an age and makes other programs unusable; the same goes for any other largeish application. If I click on a button by mistake I am reduced to staring at an eggtimer for a small eternity - or going off to make a cup of tea. And I won't even mention boot-up and shut-down.

What am I doing wrong? It's true that my system spec is not exactly light speed (P2 300Mhz 128mb laptop) but the speed in XP was (and is - it is dual-bootable) perfectly decent for internet and word-processing tasks. How can Linux be so much slower? And what can do to speed it up?
Interesting, because I have a friend that had the opposite happen. They installed Slackware 10.0 (they have a PII 300 with 128MB of ram) and their system absolutely flies with Linux. Windows XP on the other hand, well it crawls. Of course how fast the GUI runs depends upon several things, choice of KDE/Gnome/Fluxbox/etc. They use KDE with all the special eye candy turned off and it runs quick. However, if they use fluxbox, it really zips.
 
Old 02-26-2005, 09:06 PM   #82
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Re: End of road

Quote:
Originally posted by rollo
Does anyone have any specific information about how to get control of this, in order to stop this this tchik-tchik on the hard-drive every four seconds? It's not important but I have a real problem with it.
You may be running into the same problem I had which was the acpid logging with SUSE. Check out the thread here.
 
Old 02-28-2005, 04:54 PM   #83
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Summary of all your helpful advice

Thanks for all the new suggestions guys. I had resolved just to put up with this whole problem, but maybe I'll now have another stab at speeding things up.
  • DNS resolve times - I think I've already tried this one, but I'll try the modprobe.conf tweak suggested by ErcoupeBaby, just in case
  • Hosts file - again, tried it. No appreciable difference.
  • Services - yep, disabled pretty much everything I don't (seem to) need. Little difference made.
  • hdparm - tried this (see help by zajelo3 above) - can't get drive to switch to UDMA, but MDMA works.
  • Drive formatting and partitions - this I would need some help with, but something tells me it's not the problem.

I will cheerfully try any more suggestions anyone has, but it does seem that the only magic cure for this problem is either to buy a faster computer or to ditch Suse and install Slackware. Suse is clearly a bloated OS.

The small, nagging problem with the Slackware solution is that I can't! I know my limitations and - honestly - I just don't have the technical skills to do this. I had enough trouble getting Suse to work! A hundred things would inevitably go wrong and I would be forced to spend night after night just getting the thing up and running again. And then there would be all the manual tweaking to do, and the perpetual fear of forgetting how I did it (does no one else get this?).

I am disappointed that Suse is so slow (even compared to XP) but I like it and I like what Linux represents. And I like all you lovely people too, always ready with a helpful suggestion. So thanks again.

Quote:
Originally posted by ErcoupeBaby

rollo,
this is quite the thread, it has bounced all over everywhere.
That's because of the title I gave it. It's all in a name, you see.
 
Old 03-05-2005, 12:18 PM   #84
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Re: Summary of all your helpful advice

Before you give up realize this: Slackware is easy to deal with. Dont be afraid to try it.

Aslo try Centos 4 out. If you want a self-configurating OS that has a rather large footprint with good documentation and broad support CentOS is a rebuild of redhat enterprise linux.
 
Old 03-09-2005, 03:38 AM   #85
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Also try to disable animations. Konqueror can be set to loop GIFs once and gaim can be set to disable animations for buddy icons. These two things really sped up some of the things I did. Gaim did 20% CPU usage before turning off the icons, now it's less than 1%.
 
Old 03-11-2005, 10:39 AM   #86
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I have experimented with more than a dozen Linux distros, starting with Knoppix and expanding it to full install on hard drive. I have also installed:

1) PCLinux
2) Mepis
3) Mandrake 10.1
4) Gentoo
6) Gnoppix
7) Linspire 4.5
8) Debian
9) Fedora
10) Solaris
11) Slackware 10.1
12) SuSe

others...

But one stands out way ahead of the rest, and that is XandrOS, in either 2.0 or 3.0.
Either version takes about 30 minutes maximum to install with no hangups and absolutely pure class desktops. I was also able to set my resolution to 16 bit, 1280 X 1024. I have no complaints about either, except for slower loading than any Windows. That is not a big deal to me for a free open circulation. I may even buy the pro version that has Crossover Office to run Windows apps.

Xandros has proven to me to be superior by far to any other Linux distro. I never could even get Solaris to accept a password; the line item load and the window entry load are both deactivated. Several of the others will not load on an IDE card, something I find to be more convenient, though not necessary. Formatting is no hassle either with Xandros. You can just let it take over the disk if you do not want to take the time to do it yourself. Buying new XBox 10G drives on Ebay for $10.00 helped to make that a no-brainer.

Several distros also hate Nvidia2 chipset, although that seems to be disappearing as versions evolve.

I rate Xandros as 8 out of 10. There just are few printer drivers, and none for new Canon printers. Online viewing experience is superb with no bleeding on the LCD that I have. I am posting from Win2000 only because I was checking old email and have not set up Xandros yet for email downloading.

Last edited by HLS; 03-11-2005 at 05:59 PM.
 
Old 03-12-2005, 10:32 AM   #87
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Quote:
Originally posted by HLS
I have experimented with more than a dozen Linux distros, starting with Knoppix and expanding it to full install on hard drive. I have also installed:

1) PCLinux
2) Mepis
3) Mandrake 10.1
4) Gentoo
6) Gnoppix
7) Linspire 4.5
8) Debian
9) Fedora
10) Solaris
11) Slackware 10.1
12) SuSe

others...

But one stands out way ahead of the rest, and that is XandrOS, in either 2.0 or 3.0.
Either version takes about 30 minutes maximum to install with no hangups and absolutely pure class desktops. I was also able to set my resolution to 16 bit, 1280 X 1024. I have no complaints about either, except for slower loading than any Windows. That is not a big deal to me for a free open circulation. I may even buy the pro version that has Crossover Office to run Windows apps.

Xandros has proven to me to be superior by far to any other Linux distro. I never could even get Solaris to accept a password; the line item load and the window entry load are both deactivated. Several of the others will not load on an IDE card, something I find to be more convenient, though not necessary. Formatting is no hassle either with Xandros. You can just let it take over the disk if you do not want to take the time to do it yourself. Buying new XBox 10G drives on Ebay for $10.00 helped to make that a no-brainer.

Several distros also hate Nvidia2 chipset, although that seems to be disappearing as versions evolve.

I rate Xandros as 8 out of 10. There just are few printer drivers, and none for new Canon printers. Online viewing experience is superb with no bleeding on the LCD that I have. I am posting from Win2000 only because I was checking old email and have not set up Xandros yet for email downloading.
I have used the new Xandros 3.0 Deluxe distro and must say that it is nice. It is a good choice for someone coming from Windows XP. It is made to emulate the Windows experience. Even the File Manager and structure are made to look like Windows, with drives showing as C: or D:, etc.

There is a free OC version available for download by Bittorrent. I have not used it. The Deluxe version comes with Open Office, although it is unnecessary. You can have Windows compatibility without using it.

There are some caveates for using Xandros though. It pushes its membership and wants to sell programs that are free to download, such as Quanta Plus, Scribus, etc. It has taken the work of KDE and name branded it with their own name. This is very underhanded. KDE deserves the credit rather than Xandros for the Desktop.

You can choose Expert mode with gives you access to regular Debian packages. From this you can install Synaptic and install Quanta or whatever else you want for free.

For a Windows XP user, most Debian distros are more user friendly than RPM based ones. I have used almost all of the major distros, including most on the above list. I was frustrated with dependency problems with all RPM based distros. I used Mandrake for a year before I finally gave up and moved on to Mepis, which I heartily recommend.

I typically run four distros at one time plus Windows XP. Currently I am running Mepis 3.3, Xandros 3.0 Deluxe, Vida Linux (Gentoo) and Ubuntu. I change three of them regularly, but have yet to find a distro that matches Mepis for its reliability, ease of use and power. With most other distros these are trade offs. You may gain power with Gentoo but you lose considerably in ease of use. Portage is good, but it takes considerably more time to compile a large package such as Open Office than it does to install it from apt (hours instead of minutes).

Windows users want a good graphical based system that is uncomplicated and has features that are consistent with their experience. Xandros 3.0 delivers this and can easily replace XP. For a similar experience and a little bit of a more Linux look and feel, try Mepis.

Roy
 
Old 03-12-2005, 01:34 PM   #88
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Quote:
Originally posted by iamforgiven
I have used the new Xandros 3.0 Deluxe distro and must say that it is nice. It is a good choice for someone coming from Windows XP. It is made to emulate the Windows experience. Even the File Manager and structure are made to look like Windows, with drives showing as C: or D:, etc.

There is a free OC version available for download by Bittorrent. I have not used it. The Deluxe version comes with Open Office, although it is unnecessary. You can have Windows compatibility without using it.

There are some caveates for using Xandros though. It pushes its membership and wants to sell programs that are free to download, such as Quanta Plus, Scribus, etc. It has taken the work of KDE and name branded it with their own name. This is very underhanded. KDE deserves the credit rather than Xandros for the Desktop.

You can choose Expert mode with gives you access to regular Debian packages. From this you can install Synaptic and install Quanta or whatever else you want for free.

For a Windows XP user, most Debian distros are more user friendly than RPM based ones. I have used almost all of the major distros, including most on the above list. I was frustrated with dependency problems with all RPM based distros. I used Mandrake for a year before I finally gave up and moved on to Mepis, which I heartily recommend.

I typically run four distros at one time plus Windows XP. Currently I am running Mepis 3.3, Xandros 3.0 Deluxe, Vida Linux (Gentoo) and Ubuntu. I change three of them regularly, but have yet to find a distro that matches Mepis for its reliability, ease of use and power. With most other distros these are trade offs. You may gain power with Gentoo but you lose considerably in ease of use. Portage is good, but it takes considerably more time to compile a large package such as Open Office than it does to install it from apt (hours instead of minutes).

Windows users want a good graphical based system that is uncomplicated and has features that are consistent with their experience. Xandros 3.0 delivers this and can easily replace XP. For a similar experience and a little bit of a more Linux look and feel, try Mepis.

Roy
 
Old 03-12-2005, 01:40 PM   #89
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The problem I have with Gentoo is that I cannot get good resolution on my Sony LCD monitor. I run native 1280 X 1024 with Xandros but only 800 X 600 with Gentoo. Xandros also has more install options with the IDE card. I agree that Xandros has no right to claim credit for KDE adoptions. That sounds like they are being influenced by Microsoft and Intel who like to dominate.
 
  


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