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Old 10-06-2004, 11:26 AM   #1
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PC notebook or Mac Notebook?


I am looking at getting a new notebook, but am stuck on what to get.... wondering if the ppl on LQ would be able to shed some light.

Battery life / weight are issues, speed/ and of course linux compabilities. Does linux run on a ibook?

Thanks!
 
Old 10-06-2004, 01:14 PM   #2
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Gentoo is the only distro i've found to work on my ibook, so yes it does work, at least on my ibook G3, i dont know what you plan to get.
 
Old 10-06-2004, 01:32 PM   #3
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I don't get it - why would anyone want to run anything other than OSX on an ibook? OSX has a BSD kernel - it's really unix! It just pretends like it's not with the nice fancy gui. It's like....well....like running windows on a PC - you're just getting less from your hardware than you should. OSX is designed to run on that machine, with tweaks etc. I find it highly strange that anyone would pay the extra $$$ for a mac and then run linux on it!

*shrug* if you must, then you'll want to look into yellow dog linux. That or debian I guess. Both run on the powerPC arch without too many problems, but yellow dog is specifically designed for this arch.
 
Old 10-07-2004, 09:32 AM   #4
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I am just exploreing the options, i had a chance to get an ibook and it seemed like a good idea, $$ wise, but seeing as i am going to be traveling with it i will prob end up buying an acer as they have international warranty.
 
Old 10-07-2004, 09:43 AM   #5
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I've a lot of unixy friends who've started moving to ibooks now, and their experiences have been universally positive (and in most cases very positive). I'm not sure if I'm yet ready to conform to the One True Mac Way(tm), but I'm starting to be swayed. The BSD kernel is compelling, and sometimes having this "just work" is a real boon, despite the semi-evil hardware-lockin.

Anyway, my only advice is DON'T BUY DELL! I have a dell and their attitude towards customers (esp. linux ones) is woeful and you're almost guaranteed to get screwed...

HTH
 
Old 10-07-2004, 12:03 PM   #6
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I've a lot of unixy friends who've started moving to ibooks now, and their experiences have been universally positive (and in most cases very positive). I'm not sure if I'm yet ready to conform to the One True Mac Way(tm), but I'm starting to be swayed. The BSD kernel is compelling, and sometimes having this "just work" is a real boon, despite the semi-evil hardware-lockin.

Anyway, my only advice is DON'T BUY DELL! I have a dell and their attitude towards customers (esp. linux ones) is woeful and you're almost guaranteed to get screwed...

HTH
hehe i know that!!!!!

i just wonderd HOW close is the MAC OSX to linux, and would ppl buy that over a pc notebook, what are their processesing speeds like are the y better or worse than a pc ....
 
Old 10-07-2004, 01:29 PM   #7
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well, OSX is based on a BSD kernel plus tweaks (freeBSD). So it's quite "unixy" but not necessarily "linuxy". The feel at a terminal is pretty similar for a normal linux user. If you're familiar with them though, linux developed out of hte SystemV family of unices (from Minix), while freeBSD came from the 4.*BSD family. The history of unix is looong and complicated. there's a family tree here
http://www.levenez.com/unix/history.html

In essence, most of your standard shell tools are there, but the mac still likes to do things in it's own *ahem* unique way. Something of a compromise from what I've seen.

and that's about as much advice as I can give, since I've not used OSX all that much. The hardware is pretty competitive although lags a tiny bit - if you want bleeding edge, it's still in the PC world. But if you want bleeding edge on a PC laptop, linux will be a challenge...
 
Old 10-07-2004, 11:31 PM   #8
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Originally posted by christhom
I don't get it - why would anyone want to run anything other than OSX on an ibook? OSX has a BSD kernel - it's really unix! I find it highly strange that anyone would pay the extra $$$ for a mac and then run linux on it!

I kind of agree with this LINUX is superior cause it's extensable and can do large things and that's kind of waisted on an ibook -- better to run bsd that was designed to run on like 2 Mb of RAM or something
otherwise ibook will choke.. nobody is saying if OSX is GNU or UNIX after the kernel.......
if it's GNU then it will most likely choke ibook as well because it's coded for speed not size.

Definitely get the Apple where you get half the equip for twice the price, the architecture is all backwards,
and you get to support Job's "money habit". can't go wrong there plus you get an old operating system from lke 1912 or something.
 
Old 10-08-2004, 03:02 AM   #9
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better to run bsd that was designed to run on like 2 Mb of RAM or something
otherwise ibook will choke.. nobody is saying if OSX is GNU or UNIX after the kernel.......
if it's GNU then it will most likely choke ibook as well because it's coded for speed not size.
Have you got any idea what you're talking about? What kind of machines do you think linux was "designed to run on"? "GNU" is just a bunch of tools. hey - it has "ls". Guess what - that's gnu (have a look in fileutils)! What do you think - that all ibooks have a tiny amount of ram or something? sheesh!

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Definitely get the Apple where you get half the equip for twice the price, the architecture is all backwards,
and you get to support Job's "money habit". can't go wrong there plus you get an old operating system from lke 1912 or something.
Hmm, this is all complete crap.
1) Half the hardware for twice the price? When was the last time you played around with a Mac. Certainly doesn't feel particularly slow. It's a NOTEBOOK. If you want amazingly fast, then you're not going to get it anywhere. It's light, fully featured and powerful enough to do what it was designed for. And it "just works". When was the last time you can say that about linux more than 3 times in a row?

2) Architecture is backwards? what does that even mean?

3) Old operating system? Actually, I'd say the OS is pretty efficient. In terms of "modern"...well linux isn't that "modern" either. Just the same old monolithic kernel that's been aroudn for 15+ years. The triumph of linux is it's development model, not it's amazing new system design.

Linux isn't the "ultimate operating system"...far from it. It's just an alternative. Better than Windows, but less than optimal...
 
  


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