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Old 04-29-2007, 07:27 PM   #1
redxii
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No happy medium


I want to put Slackware on my laptop, but I like keeping up with my programs. Slackware doesn't have much in package management. I like everything simple, and highly customizable, lean. For example, I use VLC to watch all my videos. There is a version 0.8.5 made by a Per Allansson (hasn't been seen recently), in which VLC and all its dependencies are situated in just one folder: /opt/vlc. There is another packager that has a now 0.8.6b but it is not as compartmentalized as the other package, and on top of that, requires an additional 100 or so packages to be installed. This bothers me. I tried modifying the slackbuild and changing prefixes and what not but I don't get past running the script (something always wrong with it even though there isn't). I have many other slackbuilds I made for other programs but none of those come close to the complexity of VLC.

I could use an easy distro like Ubuntu to use VLC, right? But I don't like Ubuntu. In fact I hate everything about Ubuntu except the package manager. I tried SUSE, and I didn't like that either. No other distro seems to give as much freedom as Slackware, because they are bent towards hiding and restricting stuff from average users or loading hundreds of irrelevant to my hardware kernel modules (why not just load the whole damn modules folder while they're at it?).

The laptop currently has XP. I like only Slackware, except for the way new packages are to be had. With Windows, the developer creates an installer and the installer includes all dependencies and libraries in one neat location. With Linux you have to wait for the developer, then you have to wait for someone to build binaries, then you install the binaries and resolve dependencies.

I don't want to keep XP either. Not that it is insecure, but Microsoft gets sued entirely too much for frivolous patent infringement, and that leads to cutting features. I don't want that either.

Last edited by redxii; 04-29-2007 at 07:29 PM.
 
Old 04-29-2007, 08:31 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by redxii
I want to put Slackware on my laptop, but I like keeping up with my programs. Slackware doesn't have much in package management.
I don't see the dilemma, either you accept Slackware and it's shortfalls or you don't.

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I like everything simple, and highly customizable, lean.
AFAIK, this is achievalbe with all flavours of Linux.

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I could use an easy distro like Ubuntu to use VLC, right? But I don't like Ubuntu. In fact I hate everything about Ubuntu except the package manager.
LOL

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No other distro seems to give as much freedom as Slackware, because they are bent towards hiding and restricting stuff from average users or loading hundreds of irrelevant to my hardware kernel modules (why not just load the whole damn modules folder while they're at it?).
None the less, what has been hidden, can be revealed. If irrelevant modules have been loaded, simply unload them! Try doing that with Winblow$.

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I like only Slackware, except for the way new packages are to be had. With Windows, the developer creates an installer and the installer includes all dependencies and libraries in one neat location. With Linux you have to wait for the developer, then you have to wait for someone to build binaries...
Er, no you don't. OpenSource remember. You can always make the modifications to the source code yourself. There's nothing stopping you from building binaries.

It seems to me that you would rather someone else do all the hard work so that you can simply reap the benefits. You are free to get involved with Linux on any level that you desire, the same cannot be said of Winblow$.
 
Old 04-29-2007, 10:16 PM   #3
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Slackware package management is as simple as typing 'slackpkg update' and then 'slackpkg upgrade-all' which *could* even be run by cron.
Removing packages is just as easy: 'removepkg <packagename>'. No weird emerging or other magical stuff and besides, it's so easy if you want to install packages of all sorts, shapes and sizes, that aren't even 'designed' for Slackware. Just get a package, and type './configure' then 'make' then 'make install' and you're done.
Besides 'Slackpkg', there's also Slapt-get and Swaret and Slackbuilds.org and Slackupdate.. Probably another one or two package methods I am forgetting about.
 
Old 04-29-2007, 11:28 PM   #4
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So you haven't tried Gentoo yet? It sounds to me as if it comes closest to what you expect from a distro. The keyword in this case is use flags. They allow you to specify what needs to be supported by applications. You want vlc without mpeg? OK, use flag ="-mepg"; you need v4l? use flag="-mpeg 4vl". Etc.

And you can (re)build everything from scratch, if you want to. But: compiling takes time, sometimes a lot of time.
 
Old 04-30-2007, 03:16 AM   #5
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The last two posters missed the point entirely. VLC is not a simple "./configure, make, make install". ffmpeg has to be compiled and other dependencies that normally are or should be a part of VLC also have to be compiled or installed. I know I am forgetting a dependency or ten.

I can't make do with the 0.8.6b some other person made because he enabled "--enable-pda" and that is the only interface available. PDA interface blows, and that is the only recent package available.

Last edited by redxii; 04-30-2007 at 03:20 AM.
 
Old 04-30-2007, 05:28 AM   #6
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Redxii,
If you like slackware, but want something a bit easier, try zenwalk. It is based on slackware is very up to date, and installs in about 30 minutes with a ready to run system. There is even a live CD to try out before you install.
 
Old 04-30-2007, 11:37 AM   #7
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Arch is a very nice distro.

As lightweight as slackware or gentoo i'd venture (obviously, it's down to you what you turn on/off).

But the package manager (Pacman) is great. Constant updates, latest versions of most things, i love it.

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