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Old 02-27-2010, 11:05 AM   #1
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Linux vs Sun OS


Hello,

First of, I'm not an expert in the Linux/UNIX environment but having worked on Linux and Sun OS for a while now, it's quite evident of the benefits of using Linux (ie large user base, support for hardware, colored fonts, etc).

What I don't understand is what is the justification of paying Sun silly amount of money to buy their hardware and then pay for this Sun OS that is not necessarily better than Linux. As far as I can tell, there is nothing that Sun OS can do that Linux can't.
 
Old 02-27-2010, 11:30 AM   #2
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Sometimes you are simply paying for support...eg SLED, RHEL

If you don't know a reason that you need an OS that costs money, then you probably don't need it.....
 
Old 02-27-2010, 12:24 PM   #3
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Hi,

you do not have to pay for SUN Solaris. There is no need. You can download and use it an no cost.

As pixellany stated you pay for support. That is the same on Redhat/SuSE etc. So there is no difference.

The license is different, SUN Solaris (not OpenSolaris) is not available under GPL. That may be a reason not to use it.
 
Old 02-27-2010, 12:38 PM   #4
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you do not have to pay for SUN Solaris. There is no need. You can download and use it an no cost.
This is no longer true. Oracle just (quietly) made it so security updates will require $$ contract. No security updates to Solaris means it's unusable.

Sun hardware, up until a few years ago, was just so much better it was worth the price (imo).

You get paid support contracts, if your income depends on things working, and you are unsure you'll be able to fix things if they break, or if your boss says to.

Edit - IIRC, OSOL is CDDL not GPL. Sun said they were going to release it GPLv3, but changed their mind at the last second. I could be wrong about that tho.

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Old 02-27-2010, 01:20 PM   #5
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The kicker for me has always been the ZFS file system and the hardware. Both were utterly awesome in the day , unfortunately I think that day has passed.
 
Old 02-27-2010, 01:37 PM   #6
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The kicker for me has always been the ZFS file system and the hardware. Both were utterly awesome in the day , unfortunately I think that day has passed.
ZFS's day is just arriving. Ask anyone that runs FreeBSD, or ask all the Solaris ppl flocking to FBSD, with the buyout from Oracle. If ZFS was GPL'd I believe it would be the default FS of most 'server' distros.
 
Old 02-27-2010, 02:11 PM   #7
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Hi,

i'm not aware that Oracle changed the update policy, so you have to pay for updates. What a shame.
 
Old 02-27-2010, 08:59 PM   #8
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Okay, I really can't see how Sun hardware is so much better. The cost and availability of Sun hardware makes it not practical to do periodic hardware refresh. For example, at the company where I work, we have piles of legacy Sun hardware but that is not the case with Windows based platform be it Intel or AMD. The cost of getting an equivalent spec Intel or AMD based solution is so much cheaper and easier. Nice thing is there is not much concern about which Intel or AMD platform will or will not be compatible with Windows 2003 or 2008. Sun OS, however, isn't the case.

Refreshing Sun hardware is compounded by:
1) Lack of availability off the shelf and not as cheap as Intel or AMD.
2) Compatibility between Sun OS and Sun hardware.
3) Code that was written based on older Sun OS and Sun hardware may not run with newer Sun OS and Sun hardware.

Windows, combined with AMD or Intel, do not really have the above 3 problems.
 
Old 02-27-2010, 09:13 PM   #9
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Okay, I really can't see how Sun hardware is so much better.
Like I said, a few years ago, it was worth it. The Sparc arch was so much better than the x86, which is why you have all this legacy Sun hardware around, still kicking around. I have a few SparcStations that are still running as webservers.
 
Old 02-28-2010, 09:52 AM   #10
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Guess if it's not Oracle who bought it, Sun is destined to doom. First, enterprises are continuously migrating to Linux. Second, no one wants to pay for the hefty fee to install a Sun hardware when you can run Linux on x86 platform.
 
  


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