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Old 08-21-2014, 09:21 AM   #1
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Linux Founder Linus Torvalds 'Still Wants the Desktop';
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By Sean Michael Kerner | Posted 2014-08-20

During a LinuxCon panel discussion, Linus Torvalds provides insight into what works and what doesn't with Linux in 2014.
CHICAGO—The Linux faithful gathered today at LinuxCon to hear core Linux developers, especially Linus Torvalds—and the audience wasn't disappointed. In a keynote panel session, Torvalds spoke of his hopes and the challenges for Linux in 2014.

Linux kernel developer Greg Kroah-Hartman moderated the discussion and commented that Linux already runs everywhere. He asked Torvalds where he thinks Linux should go next.

"I still want the desktop," Torvalds said as the audience erupted into boisterous applause.

During a LinuxCon panel discussion, Linus Torvalds provides insight into what works and what doesn't with Linux in 2014.

CHICAGO—The Linux faithful gathered today at LinuxCon to hear core Linux developers, especially Linus Torvalds—and the audience wasn't disappointed. In a keynote panel session, Torvalds spoke of his hopes and the challenges for Linux in 2014. Linux kernel developer Greg Kroah-Hartman moderated the discussion and commented that Linux already runs everywhere. He asked Torvalds where he thinks Linux should go next. "I still want the desktop," Torvalds said as the audience erupted into boisterous applause.
See more at: http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps...e-desktop.html
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Old 08-21-2014, 01:20 PM   #2
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That's a fine endeavor for Torvalds and I wish him luck but microsoft owns that domain unfortunately.

For linux to really catch a decent share of the desktop market and I mean maybe they need applications like photoshop, quicken, autocad, Itunes and many other popular applications ported to linux. Second, any hardware you buy ( especially the latest ), they need to provide drivers for linux as well.

I wish them luck.
 
Old 08-21-2014, 01:22 PM   #3
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Not going to happen. Sorry Linus.

Without inventing the bed, building the bed, and getting into bed with Intel, HP, Dell, Asus, SuperMicro, ATI, Nvidia etc etc etc as Microsoft has done, you stand no chance. See "Apple" for more information regarding market lock-in.
 
Old 08-21-2014, 01:42 PM   #4
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Hi,

Linus is looking forward. Positive attitude at least for this topic!
 
Old 08-21-2014, 11:59 PM   #5
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Making Linux appeal to the masses, would ruin the very things that WE love about it.

See: Ubuntu!
 
Old 08-22-2014, 01:53 AM   #6
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Making Linux appeal to the masses, would ruin the very things that WE love about it.

See: Ubuntu!
Luckily Slackware exists!
 
Old 08-22-2014, 02:41 AM   #7
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My budget appreciates the desktop machines, they do not go anywhere, do not fall over, do not get dropped, and rarely struck by anyone in a bad mood, so they tend to last longer.
 
Old 08-22-2014, 08:12 AM   #8
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Making Linux appeal to the masses, would ruin the very things that WE love about it.

See: Ubuntu!
No, it wouldn't. Or had the existence of Ubuntu any influence on your Slackware system?
This is exactly the reason why distributions exist.
 
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Old 08-22-2014, 10:31 AM   #9
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Luckily Slackware exists!
Amen to that!

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No, it wouldn't. Or had the existence of Ubuntu any influence on your Slackware system?
This is exactly the reason why distributions exist.
Not yet. But one morning we may wake up, and KABLAM-O! SystemD 'll be slapping us in the face. (N'oh the pain; the pain!)

I used to use Ubuntu. Whoever thought that Ubuntu would devolve into a Windows-esque OS, complete with spyware and bloat? But they wanted to be popular and get a piece of the market share. I see that as a frightening example of what the future holds for Linux; and even though I wouldn't expect such nonsense from Patrick Volkerding or Philip Newborough, at some point they may be swayed to bow to the perceptions of what the community wants [not that there's anything wrong with that- but if that "community" is comprised of 13 year-old Justin Beiber fans and Facebook addicts, what it wants may be diametrically opposed to what we want...]

But I do agree with you, that as long as we all have choices, that is a good thing. It's just the idea of trying to make something that suits everybody- i.e. one-size-fits-all, that wreaks destruction on all that is good.
 
Old 08-22-2014, 05:27 PM   #10
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Linux is a religion: My faith is rpm based distros.

I think that linus is thinking aloud or maybe he is trying to be inspiring and or show his respect for the desktop.

Also the low desktop usage of linux is just an indicator of the general public's situation. They are not in a situation to venture in the would of free computing. I have tried to get people to use linux but after they see all the confusing words in the first guide they read they go buy a windows machine. I was trying to mentor a co worker to get his home directory off a windows machine that would freeze at the login prompt. I suggested using a live Ubuntu disc to do this but even making it as easy as I possible could , he took the computer out in the driveway and smashed it with a hammer. Maybe my mentoring skills are not what I think they are.

Linux users are much more of a hacker (not cracker) tool. There are hacker (non cracker) windows users but they are not anywhere's close to the majority. So what I'm saying is that most desktop users are actually "menu" users or "point and click" users. Ubuntu was fully aware of the hurdle of installing a linux distro hence the new computers available with Ubuntu installed. This method helps get would-be linux enthusists get their feet wet because the installation hurdle is non-existant.
 
Old 08-23-2014, 11:14 AM   #11
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Also the low desktop usage of linux is just an indicator of the general public's situation. They are not in a situation to venture in the would of free computing. I have tried to get people to use linux but after they see all the confusing words in the first guide they read they go buy a windows machine.
Low usage where? With countries like Brazil and Russia replacing Windows in the schools, how long is the usage going to be low there? People who are taught to use Linux at school will not rush out to buy Windows! Moreover, as recreational computer users switch to phones and tablets, real computers will go back to being business and professional machines and the tail will stop wagging the dog. Personally, I foresee the day when Windows will be confined to people and institutions with more money than sense —a bit like the Mac.
 
Old 08-23-2014, 11:52 AM   #12
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Also the low desktop usage of linux is just an indicator of the general public's situation. They are not in a situation to venture in the would of free computing. I have tried to get people to use linux but after they see all the confusing words in the first guide they read they go buy a windows machine.
...or maybe just even the thought of using something different which is not in the mainstream...

My neighbor's toddler used my neighbor's laptop as a step-stool- so he was without a computer except for a c. 10 year-old rig he had packed away. I told him I could resurrect that old computer, by putting a lightweight Linux OS on it; and it would likely function better than when it was new. He was going to bring the computer over.... That was 2 weeks ago.... no computer ever showed-up here. I think he went out and bought a new Chromebook....

It's funny, too, this resistance to Linux/anything new and different/out-of-the-mainstream.

When I got my first 'puter in 1998, I heard of Linux early-on- but was too computer illiterate to try it right away; but I did make a mental note that I would look into in the future... Long story short: Here I am! (I guess I'm the opposite of most people though. I tend to look at anything mainstream/that has mass appeal as probably being of inferior quality and heavily dumbed-down; and likely existing only because the corp which is selling it has bombarded the world with advertising which has appealed to some base primal psychological aspect of human-nature, and which has zero to do with the actual product. I always try and look for better alternatives right away.)

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Low usage where? With countries like Brazil and Russia replacing Windows in the schools, how long is the usage going to be low there? People who are taught to use Linux at school will not rush out to buy Windows! Moreover, as recreational computer users switch to phones and tablets, real computers will go back to being business and professional machines and the tail will stop wagging the dog. Personally, I foresee the day when Windows will be confined to people and institutions with more money than sense —a bit like the Mac.
I've always lamented the propliferation of portable devices- but if their proliferation has the effect of killing the Windows monopoly over the consumer computer market, as you theorize, it almost compensate for all the negatives.
 
Old 08-23-2014, 02:05 PM   #13
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My neighbor's toddler used my neighbor's laptop as a step-stool- so he was without a computer except for a c. 10 year-old rig he had packed away. I told him I could resurrect that old computer, by putting a lightweight Linux OS on it; and it would likely function better than when it was new. He was going to bring the computer over.... That was 2 weeks ago.... no computer ever showed-up here. I think he went out and bought a new Chromebook....
That's sad...

My mom's XP desktop is still going, but I have a feeling that it's going to need an upgrade soon. And since it's just a P4 with a gig of RAM, it's definitely not going to be able to handle any "new" Windows OS (And I would never welcome Win8 into our house, anyway). So when that day comes, I'm sure I can convince my dad to give me a day or 2, about 20 GB of the HDD, and he just might keep the $xxx he was going to spend on a new desktop. The only problem I forsee is that my mom needs to be able to copy piics from her SD card...explaining mountpoints will be interesting...
 
Old 08-23-2014, 02:17 PM   #14
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I hope Linus realizes that the only reason "Linux" became popular on mobile devices is because of Android, which is basically a Linux kernel with whole bunch of proprietary s*** on top. The way I see it, Linux is NOT popular on mobile devices either, it is just Google's strategy for locking-in the mobile market, like M$ did with the desktop market. Sure, the kernel can never be closed source, but will it matter when all you are running are proprietary apps, and the development kit is closed source ? You can call that Linux, but I'd rather call it Google taking a dump on the Linux kernel and selling it to you in Android form.

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My budget appreciates the desktop machines, they do not go anywhere, do not fall over, do not get dropped, and rarely struck by anyone in a bad mood, so they tend to last longer.
And are very rarely stolen at gunpoint as is a significant recent trend for mobile devices. I think smartphones and tablets today are a lot like jewelery in many ways, and so people will steal them at gunpoint.

I have a cheap phone, so I'm not worried, they can have it, I can get a new one for free.
 
  


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