I have cheap cards, I've never actually had to compile alsa... The directory is blinking red because its a static link, just like pointing /usr/src/linux to /usr/src/linux-2.4.7-10. A points to B, but B doesn't exist for some screwy reason. ls -l the directory with the blinky red dir and you should see something like:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Sep 14 12:36 /dev/snd -> /somewhere/bob/isnt/

You know... I skipped ahead to section 6 in the Alsa how-to and I think the link may have to be a broekn symlink... because it isn't pointing at anything until after you modprobe whatever drivers for your card... yeah... I think you may be fine, keep going.

Cheers,

Finegan

It's a broken symlink. Do "ls -l /dev/snd" to see where the symlink points.

A snip from ALSA:

Diary of Prometheus: Day 5

I groped into the darkness last night and continously hit a wall...

[psyklops@psyklopsbox psyklops]$ su
Password:
[root@psyklopsbox psyklops]# /sbin/modprobe snd-card-emu10k1
modprobe: Can't locate module snd-card-emu10k1
[root@psyklopsbox psyklops]#

It cant locate the emu10k1 Ive tried
emu10k1.o
sblive
sblive!
sblive!value
sblive-emu10k1
...all variations....

I changed my module.conf file. I did some searching on google and few other people had the same problem but their module.conf file was different so I changed it to match theirs. Do you see anything I sholdn't have?

alias snd-card-0 snd-card-emu10k1
alias char-major-116 snd
alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc
alias eth0 tulip
alias sound-slot-0 emu10k1
options snd snd-major-116 snd_cards_limit=1
post-install sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -L >/dev/null 2>&1 || :
pre-remove sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -S >/dev/null 2>&1 || :
alias usb-controller usb-uhci
options snd-card-emu10k1 snd_index=0 snd_id="emu10k1" \
snd_extin=0x0003,0x000f,0x3fc3,0x3fcf,0x0fc3,0x0fcf \
snd_extout=0x1f03,0x1f0f,0x1fc3,0x1fcf,0x1f0f \
alias sound-slot-0 emu10k1

And still nothing.
And this is what I get when I run
ls -l/dev/snd

[psyklops@psyklopsbox dev]$ ls -l /dev/snd
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Feb 6 16:38 /dev/snd -> /proc/asound/dev
[psyklops@psyklopsbox dev]$

The /dev/snd -> /proc/asound/dev is blinking red.

And just to let you know (you may already know this) the emu10k1.0 module is in my /lib/modules/2.4.7-10/kernel/drivers/sound/emu10k1 dir.
FYI
[psyklops@psyklopsbox sound]$ /sbin/modinfo emu10k1
filename: /lib/modules/2.4.7-10/kernel/drivers/sound/emu10k1/emu10k1.o
description: "Creative EMU10K1 PCI Audio Driver v0.7
Copyright (C) 1999 Creative Technology Ltd."
author: "Bertrand Lee, Cai Ying. (Email to: emu10k1-devel@opensource.creative.com)"
parm: tone_control int


I feel the giant penguin in the sky is laughing at me.

Not sure about the driver, sorry.

For the symlink, check the permissions for /proc/asound/dev. Symlinks blink when they're broken, but they'll also blink if you don't have permission to access the target file/directory.

It should at least try to insmod... someone hates you, someone at RedHat. You can insmod the driver by using the full path of its location including the .o, thus:

insmod /lib/modules/2.4.7-10/kernel/drivers/sound/emu10k1/emu10k1.o

although really, what should work is exactly this:

insmod emu10k1

If it takes... rockin. If not, type 'dmesg' and see what went bongoroo

Solidarity,

Finegan

Bongoroo?! Is there a man page for that?

[root@psyklopsbox sbin]# /sbin/insmod /lib/modules/2.4.7-10/kernel/drivers/sound/emu10k1/emu10k1.o
insmod: a module named emu10k1 already exists

Hmmmm.... I then 'dmesg'


[root@psyklopsbox sbin]# dmesg
Linux version 2.4.7-10 (bhcompile@stripples.devel.redhat.com) (gcc version 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2.96-98)) #1 Thu Sep 6 17:27:27 EDT 2001
BIOS-provided physical RAM map:
BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009f800 (usable)
BIOS-e820: 000000000009f800 - 00000000000a0000 (reserved)
BIOS-e820: 00000000000e7000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved)
BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 00000000040fd800 (usable)
BIOS-e820: 00000000040fd800 - 00000000040ff800 (ACPI data)
BIOS-e820: 00000000040ff800 - 00000000040ffc00 (ACPI NVS)
BIOS-e820: 00000000040ffc00 - 0000000018000000 (usable)
BIOS-e820: 00000000fffe7000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved)
Scanning bios EBDA for MXT signature
On node 0 totalpages: 98304
zone(0): 4096 pages.
zone(1): 94208 pages.
zone(2): 0 pages.
Kernel command line: ro root=/dev/hda3 hdc=ide-scsi
ide_setup: hdc=ide-scsi
Initializing CPU#0
Detected 696.421 MHz processor.
Console: colour VGA+ 80x25
Calibrating delay loop... 1389.36 BogoMIPS
Memory: 381864k/393216k available (1269k kernel code, 8892k reserved, 90k data, 220k init, 0k highmem)
Dentry-cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 7, 524288 bytes)
Inode-cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 6, 262144 bytes)
Mount-cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 4, 65536 bytes)
Buffer-cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 5, 131072 bytes)
Page-cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 8, 1048576 bytes)
CPU: Before vendor init, caps: 0383f9ff 00000000 00000000, vendor = 0
CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K
CPU: L2 cache: 256K
Intel machine check architecture supported.
Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0.
CPU: After vendor init, caps: 0383f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000000
CPU: After generic, caps: 0383f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000000
CPU: Common caps: 0383f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000000
CPU: Intel Pentium III (Coppermine) stepping 01
Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done.
Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done.
Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK.
POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
mtrr: v1.40 (20010327) Richard Gooch (rgooch@atnf.csiro.au)
mtrr: detected mtrr type: Intel
PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfd983, last bus=1
PCI: Using configuration type 1
PCI: Probing PCI hardware
Unknown bridge resource 0: assuming transparent
PCI: Using IRQ router PIIX [8086/7110] at 00:07.0
Limiting direct PCI/PCI transfers.
isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards...
isapnp: No Plug & Play device found
Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4
Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
Initializing RT netlink socket
apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.14)
mxt_scan_bios: enter
Starting kswapd v1.8
VFS: Diskquotas version dquot_6.5.0 initialized
pty: 2048 Unix98 ptys configured
Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_IRQ SERIAL_PCI ISAPNP enabled
ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
Real Time Clock Driver v1.10d
block: queued sectors max/low 253205kB/122133kB, 768 slots per queue
RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size 1024 blocksize
Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 6.31
ide: Assuming 33MHz PCI bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
PIIX4: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 39
PIIX4: chipset revision 1
PIIX4: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
ide0: BM-DMA at 0x1440-0x1447, BIOS settings: hdaMA, hdbio
ide1: BM-DMA at 0x1448-0x144f, BIOS settings: hdcMA, hddMA
hda: WDC WD205AA, ATA DISK drive
hdb: IOMEGA ZIP 250 ATAPI, ATAPI FLOPPY drive
hdc: PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1610A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
hdd: HITACHI DVD-ROM GD-5000, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
hda: 40079088 sectors (20520 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=2494/255/63, UDMA(33)
ide-floppy driver 0.97
hdb: No disk in drive
hdb: 244736kB, 239/64/32 CHS, 4096 kBps, 512 sector size, 2941 rpm
ide-floppy: hdb: I/O error, pc = 5a, key = 5, asc = 24, ascq = 0
Partition check:
hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 < hda5 >
Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077
ide-floppy driver 0.97
md: md driver 0.90.0 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MD_SB_DISKS=27
md: Autodetecting RAID arrays.
md: autorun ...
md: ... autorun DONE.
NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0
IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP, IGMP
IP: routing cache hash table of 4096 buckets, 32Kbytes
TCP: Hash tables configured (established 32768 bind 32768)
Linux IP multicast router 0.06 plus PIM-SM
NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0/SMP for Linux NET4.0.
RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0
Freeing initrd memory: 320k freed
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
Journalled Block Device driver loaded
kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds
EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.
Freeing unused kernel memory: 220k freed
Adding Swap: 779112k swap-space (priority -1)
usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs
usb.c: registered new driver hub
usb-uhci.c: $Revision: 1.259 $ time 17:36:49 Sep 6 2001
usb-uhci.c: High bandwidth mode enabled
PCI: Found IRQ 9 for device 00:07.2
usb-uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0x1400, IRQ 9
usb-uhci.c: Detected 2 ports
usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1
hub.c: USB hub found
hub.c: 2 ports detected
usb-uhci.c: v1.251:USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver
hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/1, assigned device number 2
usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x46d/0xc285) is not claimed by any active driver.
usb.c: registered new driver hid
usb-uhci.c: ENXIO 84000280, flags 0, urb c18dbf40, burb c18dbe40
usb-uhci.c: ENXIO 84000280, flags 0, urb c18dbf40, burb c18dbe40
usb-uhci.c: ENXIO 84000280, flags 0, urb c18dbf40, burb c18dbe40
usb-uhci.c: ENXIO 84000280, flags 0, urb c18dbf40, burb c18dbe40
usb-uhci.c: ENXIO 84000280, flags 0, urb c18dbf40, burb c18dbe40
usb-uhci.c: ENXIO 84000280, flags 0, urb c18dbf40, burb c18dbe40
usb-uhci.c: ENXIO 84000280, flags 0, urb c18dbf40, burb c18dbe40
usb-uhci.c: ENXIO 84000280, flags 0, urb c18dbf40, burb c18dbe40
usb-uhci.c: ENXIO 84000280, flags 0, urb c18dbf40, burb c18dbe40
usb-uhci.c: ENXIO 84000280, flags 0, urb c18dbf40, burb c18dbe40
usb-uhci.c: ENXIO 84000280, flags 0, urb c18dbf40, burb c18dbe40
usb-uhci.c: ENXIO 84000280, flags 0, urb c18dbf40, burb c18dbe40
EXT3 FS 2.4-0.9.8, 25 Aug 2001 on ide0(3,3), internal journal
usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout
input0: USB HID v1.00 Joystick [Logitech Inc. WingMan Strike Force 3D] on usb1:2.0
usb.c: registered new driver hiddev
hid-core.c: v1.8 Andreas Gal, Vojtech Pavlik <vojtech@suse.cz>
hid-core.c: USB HID support drivers
kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds
EXT3 FS 2.4-0.9.8, 25 Aug 2001 on ide0(3,2), internal journal
EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.
hdd: ATAPI 40X DVD-ROM drive, 512kB Cache, DMA
Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12
SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00
scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices
Vendor: PLEXTOR Model: CD-R PX-W1610A Rev: 1.03
Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
0x378: FIFO is 16 bytes
0x378: writeIntrThreshold is 8
0x378: readIntrThreshold is 8
0x378: PWord is 8 bits
0x378: Interrupts are ISA-Pulses
0x378: ECP port cfgA=0x10 cfgB=0x4b
0x378: ECP settings irq=7 dma=3
parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778) [PCSPP,TRISTATE,COMPAT,ECP]
parport0: irq 7 detected
parport0: cpp_daisy: aa5500ff(38)
parport0: assign_addrs: aa5500ff(38)
parport0: cpp_daisy: aa5500ff(38)
parport0: assign_addrs: aa5500ff(38)
ip_conntrack (3072 buckets, 24576 max)
Linux Tulip driver version 0.9.15-pre6 (July 2, 2001)
PCI: Found IRQ 9 for device 00:0f.0
tulip0: MII transceiver #1 config 3000 status 7829 advertising 01e1.
eth0: Lite-On 82c168 PNIC rev 32 at 0xd8904000, 00:A0:CC9:F1:62, IRQ 9.
Creative EMU10K1 PCI Audio Driver, version 0.7, 17:37:27 Sep 6 2001
PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:0e.0
PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 01:00.0
emu10k1: EMU10K1 rev 7 model 0x8031 found, IO at 0x1420-0x143f, IRQ 11
Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 40x/40x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
ide-floppy: hdb: I/O error, pc = 0, key = 2, asc = 3a, ascq = 0
ide-floppy: hdb: I/O error, pc = 1b, key = 2, asc = 3a, ascq = 0
hdb: No disk in drive
ide-floppy: hdb: I/O error, pc = 5a, key = 5, asc = 24, ascq = 0
[root@psyklopsbox sbin]#

NOtice this line? Could that have anything to do with it?
PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 01:00.0
I dont think they're supposed to be sharing...not sure though...

And finally...
[root@psyklopsbox sbin]# /sbin/insmod emu10k1
Using /lib/modules/2.4.7-10/kernel/drivers/sound/emu10k1/emu10k1.o
insmod: a module named emu10k1 already exists

Can you decypher any of the 'dmesg' output thats relevant to the problem. I sure as heck cant...

Uh... er... what problem... That snippet right there was the kernel detecting the card and loading the module. Boom, its in there!

If sound aint workin I dunno what's wrong... it takes a ton of alsa modules to make sound... what's the output of 'lsmod' (which lists all of the modules that have been squished into the running kernel) I'll compare them to what I've got in my mandrake box and see what's missing... if anything is missing. I'm kinda confused.



I would do a line by line decipering of the dmesg for you, but don't pull my leg... you can see what its assigning and where... okay some big parts of it are in geektalk, but the rest is clear... I never knew Lite-on made ethernet cards... wacky!

Oh, the shared interupt is nothing to worry about... most modern motherboards do that... the really cheap ones are a bother because sometimes they have 5 devices stacked on the same IRQ which makes the kernel go ifconfscked on occasion, but you obviously have a better board than that.

Cheers,

Finegan

Er... Yeah... uhm... man fsck?

No, I just really feel the urge to type fuX0r3d, but I didn't want to be vulgar.

Wiggidy,

Finegan

Hey thanks for hanging in there for me.

Snapshot of /sbin/lsmod

[psyklops@psyklopsbox psyklops]$ /sbin/lsmod
Module Size Used by
sr_mod 15360 0 (autoclean)
emu10k1 49488 0 (autoclean)
soundcore 4464 4 (autoclean) [emu10k1]
binfmt_misc 6416 1
autofs 11520 0 (autoclean) (unused)
tulip 39232 1
ipchains 39200 0
ide-scsi 8224 0
scsi_mod 95696 2 [sr_mod ide-scsi]
ide-cd 27072 0
cdrom 28512 0 [sr_mod ide-cd]
hid 19024 0 (unused)
input 3840 0 [hid]
usb-uhci 21536 0 (unused)
usbcore 51712 1 [hid usb-uhci]
ext3 64624 2
jbd 40992 2 [ext3]
[psyklops@psyklopsbox psyklops]$

As a last resort I was thinking of doing this form the alsa howto:

"Debug messages

As a last resort, you can rebuild the driver and tell it to send debug information to /var/log/messages. Go to the driver-directory with cd /usr/src/alsa-driver-.... and type:



./configure --with-debug=detect; make clean; make


Remove the driver (as far as it is active, see below for a general remove statement). Then use the "modprobe" statement you used before to insert the newly compiled driver. Look in /var/log/messages if there are any messages. "

For removing modules I would do this (form the alsa howto)

"Removing 10+ modules one by one is not the way to go. Luckily, all modules start with the "snd-" prefix, so a little command line programming will do. You can easily remove ALSA sound by issuing a command like:

cat /proc/modules|gawk '/^snd-/{print $1}'|xargs -i rmmod {}"

If it does come to debugging and reinstalling the drivers, what would be the "modprobe statement" I would use to reinstate the drivers? Is this the /sbin/modprobe emu10k1 cmd? I would run this right after cat /proc/modules|gawk '/^snd-/{print $1}'|xargs -i rmmod {}?
Just checking to make sure this is how it would be done?

Oh I was dreaming up something else. What about you rooting my system and fixing the sound card remotely! LOL! Like I said Im desperate here Jeeves!

Ah, one more thing. From the alsa howto:

"Suppose you have KDE up and running but you cannot get system sounds to work, like for opening windows, changing desktops, etc. Sound works in general. If your cd player and mp3 player and mixer all do work, then it's probably just "kwmsound" that's lacking.

So: make sure "kwmsound" is in your startscript ($KDEDIR/bin/startkde)"

What sort of line would I put in the startkde file to make desktop sounds happen? I looked in the file and saw nothing relatiing to sound...

Those 3 are about 1/4 of all the sound modules that should be loaded, but I think its going to auto-load the other 5-8 after you start sound...

That's been suggested in the past, and I've never been one to harp on security, but dude that's just insane. I could be a complete maniac, or worse yet: a die-hard slacker recovering luddite ska fan with athlete's foot ! Oh... that is me... yeah, I wouldn't trust me.

In a nutshell, the best way to test sound if you installed all the good old default KDE goodies:

Pop in a CD (well, to be obvious... a music CD. Something light, perhaps Bach or Screeching Weasel.)

Use the CDplayer under: Multimedia, CDplayer

Make sure your speakers are on and up, the CDplayers volume isn't muted by default, and Multimedia, Sound Mixer has volume up.

All of this goop is independant of KDE, more or less, and should work despite whether or not your desktop manager is deranged.

Luck,

Finegan

Pulling a late shift in Alabama mate? Maybe you are the maniac who listens to ska! LOL

Ive been using the cd player with no luck. Soooooo it looks like Ill remove the modules and reinsert them.

I had a couple of questions about this in my previous post. Im assuming that you didn't see any probs with it so Ill go ahead and see what happens. Worse comes to worse I may reinstall, recompile, and reload.
Yeah I love pain.

Yet another soundcard unresolved ........ what finnally happend, psyklops?

I am having exactly the same problem as psyklops on Mandrake 8.2 with the Asound Express (ALS4000) card. I thought rather than putting in a new thread I'll try and resurrect this one. I am at work now so I dodn't get a chance to try and insert the link to the version.h (which is the error where I am stuck at the moment). I will try it as soon as I get home.

BTW, I was thinking about installing the alsa drivers, libs and utils from the RPMs. Did anyone try this, and more importantly did it work?

Finally, did anyone here actually manage to get an ALS4000 based card to work?

Thanks for your time, cheers!