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Old 04-23-2017, 02:46 PM   #1
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Linux evaluation questionnaire as school work


Hello guys, I'm building a college essay and I need to use ISO 9126 standard to evaluate any system.

The system we chose was Linux, so I'd like to know your opinion by answering the following form:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1F...P4ymA/viewform
there are 28 questions.

The main idea is evaluate Linux as an alternative to other paid Systems. I know that there are many variables out of control
here like Kernel version, architeture e even different versions of the same distributions, but I aim to reach some conclusion
with this form.

Any doubt and/or suggestion, feel free to talk =) .
 
Old 04-23-2017, 02:58 PM   #2
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All I'm getting from the first page of the poll questions is that you don't understand the following: a) when to ask them, and b) what they mean.

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Are the Linux distribution features accurate in relation to what is requested?
Yeah I have a question: what is requested?

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Does the functionality of the Linux distribution respond to what it has been proposed?
Yeah I have a question: what has been proposed?

OBVIOUSLY, these questions are supposed to be asked when you have a need, you want to fill that need, and you're asking those questions to evaluate how well Linux fills that need. If you haven't defined the needs (typically called "requirements") that you're evaluating Linux for, then those questions don't apply.

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Old 04-23-2017, 03:28 PM   #3
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dugan, thank you for taking your time to respond our questions

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Yeah I have a question: what is requested?
In fact, we may not have been able to make the question more understandable.

The main idea of this poll is to be generic enough for the activities you carry
out in your system, then to 'what is requested?' you can assume as the activity
you do most of the time, whether at home or at work.

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Yeah I have a question: what has been proposed?
'Proposed' you can understand as the main focus of the distribution, I know the
distributions may be generic enough for any kind of tasks, but think for example:

- Performing pentests, the distribution probably more indicated will be Kali Linux
- File server, web, firewall.. probably Debian.
- Video editing, Cinelerra.
- Home tasks like editing files, music ... Ubuntu, Mint..

So, thinking about the distribution that the person uses and the task that he/she is
doing, the distribution may not be the best choice and this poll, in theory, will be
able to identify this.
 
Old 04-23-2017, 03:35 PM   #4
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How many people are involved in this project?

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Old 04-23-2017, 03:39 PM   #5
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How many people are involved in this project?
3 people.
 
Old 04-23-2017, 03:42 PM   #6
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The main idea is evaluate Linux as an alternative to other paid Systems. I know that there are many variables out of control
here like Kernel version, architeture e even different versions of the same distributions, but I aim to reach some conclusion
with this form.
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Originally Posted by DavidsonDFGL View Post
'Proposed' you can understand as the main focus of the distribution, I know the
distributions may be generic enough for any kind of tasks, but think for example:

- Performing pentests, the distribution probably more indicated will be Kali Linux
- File server, web, firewall.. probably Debian.
- Video editing, Cinelerra.
- Home tasks like editing files, music ... Ubuntu, Mint..

So, thinking about the distribution that the person uses and the task that he/she is
doing, the distribution may not be the best choice and this poll, in theory, will be
able to identify this.
Those are completely different objectives!

Are the questions about "Linux as an alternative to other paid Systems", or about the distribution I'm currently using as compared to other Linux distributions I could be using?

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Old 04-23-2017, 03:57 PM   #7
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The main idea is evaluate Linux as an alternative to other paid Systems.
And of course, there are "paid" Linux distributions, so how should those who respond understand that context to the questions.

I suspect that you mean "proprietary", although the better term would be non-free.

I would suggest that you do some research into the history of GNU and Linux and FREE software, and current distributions and terms of use in order to ask better questions. Otherwise you are sure to end up with meaningless answers to vague questions which you can only interpret into ultimately pointless conclusions.

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Old 04-23-2017, 04:59 PM   #8
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Those are completely different objectives!

Are the questions about "Linux as an alternative to other paid Systems", or about the distribution I'm currently using as compared to other Linux distributions I could be using?
Yes you're right, I just tapped the distribution point to explain what I meant by 'what has been proposed?' Since thinking about Linux, we have several proposals for different cases.

The main point is 'Linux as an alternative to other non-free systems', I have no intention of establishing a comparison between Linux distributions, sorry to confuse things even more.

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And of course, there are "paid" Linux distributions, so how should those who respond understand that context to the questions.

I suspect that you mean "proprietary", although the better term would be non-free.

I would suggest that you do some research into the history of GNU and Linux and FREE software, and current distributions and terms of use in order to ask better questions. Otherwise you are sure to end up with meaningless answers to vague questions which you can only interpret into ultimately pointless conclusions.
Thanks for the feedback, yes, that was the meaning I wanted to convey.

I will do some research and edit some questions, hopefully you have now understood the main idea of the questions .
 
Old 04-24-2017, 12:55 AM   #9
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I'd like to see questionnaires like this hosted on a non-commercial platform, implemented with local scripting only; then i would participate much more often.
 
Old 04-24-2017, 12:25 PM   #10
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A quick look at the questions reveals one obvious problem. Linux is being evaluated in accordance with ISO 9126. How can we do that if we haven't read ISO 9126? Since it's obsolete, not many people will have read it, although there's a summary at Wikipedia.

It's also almost impossible for any single person to answer such general questions. E.g.
Quote:
Does the functionality of the Linux distribution communicate with third-party systems satisfactorily?
For me, that means "Can I access JSTOR?" (Yes) For someone else, it might mean "Can I exchange data with people using Microsoft Office?" (That depends on the data)

It's worth noting that (if Wikipedia has got it right) this standard was not a framework for carrying out quality assessment, but for allowing organisations to develop such frameworks.

Conclusion? As we say in Ireland, "Well, if I were going there, I wouldn't start from here..."
 
Old 04-24-2017, 02:58 PM   #11
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I'd like to see questionnaires like this hosted on a non-commercial platform, implemented with local scripting only; then i would participate much more often.
You are completely out of your mind. You guys are all about "helping" and "being helpfull" or "community" and shit BUT, only if it's on your way. If you don't want to help, don't answer like this and BE BLOODY HELPFULL.

Get out of your "non-commercial" butthurt circle-jerk and actually, BE HELPFULL.
 
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Old 04-24-2017, 03:21 PM   #12
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Well Cyrran, I think you've just lost any goodwill you may have generated in encouraging people to help you out with this.

Just a personal note. There is always "noise" in the world. The trick is to remain zen and seek out the "signal". Don't take things personally. Although it wasn't what you were looking for, ondoho's comment was a general one which had merit. You could have either replied explaining why you had chosen a commercial platform or, probably a safer course in order to keep this thread on target, ignored his comment altogether.
 
Old 04-24-2017, 03:32 PM   #13
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You are completely out of your mind. You guys are all about "helping" and "being helpfull" or "community" and *&^% BUT, only if it's on your way. If you don't want to help, don't answer like this and BE BLOODY HELPFULL.

Get out of your "non-commercial" butthurt *!&%$!-&%$# and actually, BE HELPFULL.
Please review the LQ Rules and refrain from insults, personal attacks and vulgar language.

You have come to a FREE Software oriented forum, asking help from its members. I see nothing unhelpful in the replies so far, only suggestions for improving the context of your questions and as a result, the quality and quantity of the data you hope to collect.

I agree with ondoho, I would participate if the questionnaire were hosted in a more inviting venue - I do not use Google services, so I cannot participate by completing the questions. That is a personal choice and I am offended for myself and others here at being called out of my mind, among other things, for having made that choice.

Most replies to your question have included suggestions for getting a better response from LQ members. Please consider that advice as it is intended to be helpful. Please also review the Site FAQ for guidance in participating in these forums, including this...

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If you are unwilling or unable to ask questions in a manner that allows us to help you, it's unlikely our community will be able to provide you a solution. Unfortunately, serial offenders who show wanton disregard for this request after multiple pointers may be asked to seek help elsewhere. We truly hope that isn't necessary, and assure you Linux and Open Source are extremely rewarding and well worth the learning curve in the long run.
If you do not choose to understand and participate in the FREE Software community, of which GNU/Linux is a large part, then perhaps you should choose another subject for your essay.
 
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Old 04-25-2017, 10:01 AM   #14
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You are completely out of your mind. You guys are all about "helping" and "being helpfull" or "community" and shit BUT, only if it's on your way. If you don't want to help, don't answer like this and BE BLOODY HELPFULL.

Get out of your "non-commercial" butthurt circle-jerk and actually, BE HELPFULL.
No way will I even look at it, you haven't the faintest clue what Linux is about!
 
Old 04-25-2017, 10:13 AM   #15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyrran View Post
You are completely out of your mind. You guys are all about "helping" and "being helpfull" or "community" and shit BUT, only if it's on your way. If you don't want to help, don't answer like this and BE BLOODY HELPFULL.

Get out of your "non-commercial" butthurt circle-jerk and actually, BE HELPFULL.
This is your homework, and you're asking us to give you our thoughts and opinions. Your questions have little context, and make little sense the way they're written. And personally, I'm not going to bother looking up what ISO 9126 says to answer a question. Too much trouble to put the context of that standard into the header of the question??

Want your questions answered? Write better questions that CAN be answered, and don't expect volunteers to do your work for you by expecting us to read some standard so your questions make sense. Also, since this is your school project, you may want to actually spell-check things.
 
  


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