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Old 07-07-2009, 05:51 AM   #1
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Installing IBM products is more complex than needed?


Hello all.


At work we have a few IBM software products such as some WebSphere-products, MQ, and so on. Installing and upgrading these are more or less always based on a lot of manual steps, and instead of installing from RPM packages much of the installation/upgrading is script-based in one way or another.

To me it seems like the installation/upgrading process of those IBM products are made more complex than what should me necessary. Does anyone have experience with such IBM products, and have a good explanation why this is so (assuming I haven't got it all wrong, of course)?


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Old 07-07-2009, 07:37 AM   #2
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Lol. Welcome to IBM. Talk to the person you bought from and ask them to change it?
 
Old 07-07-2009, 11:06 AM   #3
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Heh... as I was opening this thread, I was saying to myself "WebSphere"

Try this for size... a stack comprising RHEL5 + Oracle 11g + IBM Java + WebSphere in parallel with Sun Java + JBoss... all on one box

And once all of that is working... pile a proprietary stack yet higher again... where the install scripts have random hardcoded values and locations scattered throughout.

Ah how I love enterprise software...
 
Old 07-07-2009, 11:16 AM   #4
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I tend to agree. This enterprise integration stuff is just horridly over-complicated. Sometimes I think you'd be better off throwing it all out and returning to the master-file/transaction-file batch model.
 
Old 07-10-2009, 05:41 AM   #5
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Punch cards!
 
Old 07-10-2009, 09:48 AM   #6
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IBM is selling service with software. They are making most of their money from service. You think they will make it simple for you to skip their service?
 
Old 07-10-2009, 11:32 AM   #7
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IBM is selling service with software. They are making most of their money from service. You think they will make it simple for you to skip their service?
That's exactly my reasoning about this too. But too me it seems like there are a least two consequences that are not often taken into consideration when deciding to go with such products:
  1. The complex products makes it a lot harder for sysadmins to have some sort of control over the application running on their servers. I've seen quite a few upgrades/fixpacks performed by running scripts and stuff, and who knows what changes are made and how to recover from errors or simply downgrading. With RPM's, for example, it is usually much simpler to revert changes made to the system.
  2. A lot of extra working hours are spent on installing, upgradring, removing and migrating the software.

In other words: Complex products => low licence fees => more money spent on services => systems are harder to have under control.
 
  


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