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Old 09-24-2022, 10:16 AM   #16
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The best thing about gentoo and slackware (I haven't used arch, but its probably true there as well) is fantastic documentation! It is very frustrating to follow a set of instructions to the tee, and then not have it work. This isn't the case for gentoo or slackware: follow the instructions, and they work. And the instructions are good. Yes, they do require some reading and instruction following; but the stability, knowledge, and independence gained are far worth it. This requirement of reading and following instructions weeds out from the user base those who just want it to work and don't have time to study, thereby creating a base of users who know what they are talking about. Their forums have good advice from knowledgable users, as opposed to a herd of followers repeating "hacks" and "workarounds" for unstable situations.
 
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Old 09-24-2022, 10:31 AM   #17
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Arch has excellent documentation. As a matter of fact, I'd suggest any Linux user having a configuration question about any distro to visit Arch Wiki first. Gentoo is not far behind, can't vouch for Slackware but I believe slac-in-the-box.
 
Old 09-24-2022, 10:39 AM   #18
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There appears to be a vanilla-gnome-desktop package - maybe you can uninstall Ubuntu's Gnome and install that instead?
I checked that out. But I am not sure how this works with updates, dependencies and other underlying things Ubuntu does to the system.
 
Old 09-24-2022, 10:44 AM   #19
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The best thing about gentoo and slackware (I haven't used arch, but its probably true there as well) is fantastic documentation! It is very frustrating to follow a set of instructions to the tee, and then not have it work. This isn't the case for gentoo or slackware: follow the instructions, and they work. And the instructions are good. Yes, they do require some reading and instruction following; but the stability, knowledge, and independence gained are far worth it. This requirement of reading and following instructions weeds out from the user base those who just want it to work and don't have time to study, thereby creating a base of users who know what they are talking about. Their forums have good advice from knowledgable users, as opposed to a herd of followers repeating "hacks" and "workarounds" for unstable situations.
I would love to read trough all of what you just mentioned but I just don't have the time for that and I don't learn these kind of things quickly. The Problem mostly is, that you need many tings just once or twice. You don't repeat do really learn it and I can't use the knowlege for anything else.
 
Old 09-24-2022, 10:48 AM   #20
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I have no idea but IMO the only way to get the latest and greatest within a month of release would be to install from their website.
I have no clue how to do that and that this is even possible. If I click on "get gnome" on their website there are only Distros suggested delivering Gnome.

That "within a month" was just to have a timeframe. If it takes 6 weeks or whatever that would not be a big deal. But I don't want a Distro 6 months behind.
 
Old 09-24-2022, 11:16 AM   #21
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That "within a month" was just to have a timeframe. If it takes 6 weeks or whatever that would not be a big deal. But I don't want a Distro 6 months behind.
If that is important then you definitely want a rolling distro, and may need to compromise on your other preferences.

A DistroWatch search for rolling distros with Gnome lists mostly Arch-based distros - if you exclude those (and Gentoo/Void/etc) the valid options appear to be openSUSE or Solus.

You can also search for distros by version of package, e.g. Gnome Shell >= 41

(Unfortunately DistroWatch doesn't differentiate (e.g.) Debian Unstable from proper Debian, so those results aren't perfect, but at least give something to work from.)

That list does highlight Mageia, another Mandriva fork, although I don't see any obvious links to the rolling version DistroWatch mentions.

 
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Old 09-24-2022, 11:17 AM   #22
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- The latest VANILLA GNOME (within a month of a new Gnome release)
Fedora. Its release schedule is literally in sync with GNOME's release schedule. Or at least it seems to be.

This should give you an idea of Fedora's commitment to GNOME:

https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2020/...a-workstation/

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Old 09-24-2022, 11:33 AM   #23
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Fedora. Its release schedule is literally in sync with GNOME's release schedule. Or at least it seems to be.

This should give you an idea of Fedora's commitment to GNOME:

https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2020/...a-workstation/
I am on Fedora and have my problems with it.
That is why I am looking for something similar. Apart from my quircks with it Fedora is pretty good.
 
Old 09-24-2022, 11:41 AM   #24
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I can't use the knowlege for anything else.
This is not so. When you learn how to use a wrench you get the general idea why and how nuts and bolts are used. It is the same with Slackware, Arch or Gentoo. What you learn applies to all Linux distros and even other POSIX systems. Sure, there are little distro-specific details for each, but these won't be on your way to general knowledge.
 
Old 09-24-2022, 11:56 AM   #25
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This is not so. When you learn how to use a wrench you get the general idea why and how nuts and bolts are used. It is the same with Slackware, Arch or Gentoo. What you learn applies to all Linux distros and even other POSIX systems. Sure, there are little distro-specific details for each, but these won't be on your way to general knowledge.
By this I meant for anything else in my life. Not for work, not for my hobby. I know what you mean and agree and I would love to know it all but my brain resources are limited and also only 24 hours a day.
 
Old 09-24-2022, 12:05 PM   #26
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If that is important then you definitely want a rolling distro, and may need to compromise on your other preferences.

(Unfortunately DistroWatch doesn't differentiate (e.g.) Debian Unstable from proper Debian, so those results aren't perfect, but at least give something to work from.)

That list does highlight Mageia, another Mandriva fork, although I don't see any obvious links to the rolling version DistroWatch mentions.

Yeah I probably need to compromise. I never used a rolling release and just know it from hearing. And the stability does not seem that great. Plus if you don't update in a while the system probably breaks with the next update. Correct me if this is not true.

I checked Distrowatch many times but this site just does not seem that reliable. There are request for Distros going back to 2019. The site still looks like from 1995, you never know if it is up to date or not and it is just confusing sometimes. But I will try what you said. I only searched for Gnome so far.
 
Old 09-24-2022, 12:13 PM   #27
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If you need something with versions close to the cutting edge, but somewhat friendly for users, go with something BASED upon an unstable version but with additional maintainers and testing as protection. (And additional support and documentation.)

If I want to run Debian Unstable (SID) for someone less adventuresome than I am, my first choice would be SPARKY Linux rolling. I would have VSIDO as a secondary choice, but it breaks more. SID directly can be really very good, but breaks FAR more often.

If I wanted something ARCH based, I would start with MANJARO. There are a few other options, but that one has excellent documentation and a vast and encouraging community.

Fedora has some of the attributes, but it has no real base and is entirely experimental at all times. You can never count on any cross or forward compatibility. It also has a very short lifespan and to stay current you basically have a new distribution every few months. That is far less painful if you plan ahead, or just use a rolling distro that avoids making it painful.

No MATTER WHAT you will have to tune the installation to your tastes and workflow, and install the specific tools you want to use. I recommend that you document the packages that you install and what works best for you, so you can quickly (painlessly?) recreate the installation later when you decide you need to reload. (Which can be 60 hours, 60 days, or 6 years later, but the day ALWAYS comes: in my experience. Document! And remember backups.)

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Old 09-24-2022, 12:28 PM   #28
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https://distrowatch.com/search.php?o...=Active#simple

https://distrowatch.com/search.php?o...=Active#simple
 
Old 09-24-2022, 12:48 PM   #29
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For those interested in latest, git clone or download the tarball.
 
Old 09-24-2022, 04:40 PM   #30
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I have EndeavourOS which is Arch based and it works well for me. It has a large community and their forum has a lot of traffic with plenty of help if issues arise. https://distrowatch.com/table.php?di...tion=endeavour
I also have SparkyLinux which is Debian based multi booted with EndeavourOS and it works equally as well. https://distrowatch.com/table.php?di...tion=endeavour

I "played" with Manjaro for a time but was not happy with it. YMMV.

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