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Old 08-28-2009, 06:05 PM   #1
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Question I have a very old computer that I want to blow out Win98 and load Ubuntu


I have an old Win98 computer ( 384mem, 80g hd, pentium2)that I would like to load Ubuntu. This will be only for my own use as I have just learned the system and want it here at home to practice with.
1. I'm not sure what version of ubuntu I need. I downloaded ubuntu-8.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso and trying to burn it using InfraRecorder. InfraRecorder said the download was successful but trying to boot it with this old computer did not work.
a. Old computer- BIOS set to boot first from cd-rom
b. First attempt at burning the cd used a DVD+RW (I figured this would not work as this old computer probably has never heard of a DVD. So I went and purchased the CD-RW and burned it again. Still did not see it.

2. then I downloaded the ubuntu-8.04.3-alternate-i386.iso but trying to burn this iso with InfraRecorder has proved to be a nightmare. I keep getting a

Input/Output error, send opc : scsi sendcmd: no error
OPC failed
fifo had 64 puts and 0 gets.
fifo was 0 times empty and 0 times full, min fill was 100

I don't know what I can do to get this old pc to boot up with Ubuntu. Is there a particular installation I should be using? If so where can I find it. Can i get this thing to boot with a cd-rw or do i need a floppy boot disk?

Any and all help is appreciated.
 
Old 08-28-2009, 06:32 PM   #2
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Ubuntu (any of the i386) should work on that kit, but will be a bit slow due to the GUI (graphical) interface. You do *not* want an amd64 iso - you don't have the hardware for it, and would be wasting download/burning time.

The alternate-i386.iso is a good choice - it lacks a GUI installer (and is a little less intuitive), but installs faster on a limited system. Looking at that I'd say you have a bad copy. The download site should have a md5 file for the iso (a small text file) - get that whenever you download an iso, and run md5sum against it; there's a version available for windows. This will verify you have a good download before you burn - InfraRecorder is fine, but make sure you burn as an image to ensure you have a bootable CD.
 
Old 08-28-2009, 06:33 PM   #3
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I am guessing that you are burning the CD's on the same computer you are trying to resurrect. (Frankly, this is where I'd want to have my handy-dandy Knoppix CD that I never leave home without.)

The key to troubleshooting, which I learned the hard way, is to rule out potential problems one by one until you know that there is only one variable left. To paraphrase Sherlock Holmes, the remaining possibility, however improbable, must be the solution.

I would troubleshoot like this.

1. Doublecheck the BIOS to make sure boot from CD is enabled and is listed before boot from HDD. (From what you said, it sounds like it is, but it's worth a doublecheck--it only takes two minutes.)

2. Find the Windows CD that came with the computer and see if the computer will boot from that.

2. a. If that's not possible, find a known-good bootable CD (one that has been tested in another computer and is known to work). See whether the computer can boot from that CD.

(I know it's supposed to, but you need to make sure, given all the problems you've been having.)

Once you've proved the computer is capable of booting from a CD, then

3. If you can, download the images and burn the CDs on a whole nother computer. Then test the CDs on a whole nother computer (not to do the install, but just to make sure they boot). This will verify that the CDs work.

4. Come back to this computer and try with CDs that you have tested and know do work in other computers.

That way, you will have ruled out everything but the computer itself as the problem.

If it still won't boot from a known-good CD, then look for a nice charity that needs a Win98 box.

I guess if you are really determined, you could try swapping out the CD drive using one that has been proven to boot, making sure it loads a CD under Windows, then trying again.
 
Old 08-28-2009, 07:51 PM   #4
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Ubuntu (any of the i386) should work on that kit, but will be a bit slow due to the GUI (graphical) interface. You do *not* want an amd64 iso - you don't have the hardware for it, and would be wasting download/burning time.

The alternate-i386.iso is a good choice - it lacks a GUI installer (and is a little less intuitive), but installs faster on a limited system. Looking at that I'd say you have a bad copy. The download site should have a md5 file for the iso (a small text file) - get that whenever you download an iso, and run md5sum against it; there's a version available for windows. This will verify you have a good download before you burn - InfraRecorder is fine, but make sure you burn as an image to ensure you have a bootable CD.
Thank you so much for responding so quickly. I'm currently downloading another version from another site

Ubuntu Edition: Ubuntu 8.04.3 desktop
Computer Platform: i386
Download Location: http://ftp.utexas.edu/ubuntu-iso/CDs/

i'll check the md5 this time. I was wondering which I should go with; the i386 or the AMD. I could have sworn I read though when in doubt go with the x64.

As far as the InfraRecorder goes. I'm horrible with it. nothing but erase seems to work for me. I'm giving it another go tomorrow with the new download.

I really appreciate your help. Thank you
 
Old 08-28-2009, 08:00 PM   #5
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I am guessing that you are burning the CD's on the same computer you are trying to resurrect. (Frankly, this is where I'd want to have my handy-dandy Knoppix CD that I never leave home without.)

The key to troubleshooting, which I learned the hard way, is to rule out potential problems one by one until you know that there is only one variable left. To paraphrase Sherlock Holmes, the remaining possibility, however improbable, must be the solution.

I would troubleshoot like this.

1. Doublecheck the BIOS to make sure boot from CD is enabled and is listed before boot from HDD. (From what you said, it sounds like it is, but it's worth a doublecheck--it only takes two minutes.)

2. Find the Windows CD that came with the computer and see if the computer will boot from that.

2. a. If that's not possible, find a known-good bootable CD (one that has been tested in another computer and is known to work). See whether the computer can boot from that CD.

(I know it's supposed to, but you need to make sure, given all the problems you've been having.)

Once you've proved the computer is capable of booting from a CD, then

3. If you can, download the images and burn the CDs on a whole nother computer. Then test the CDs on a whole nother computer (not to do the install, but just to make sure they boot). This will verify that the CDs work.

4. Come back to this computer and try with CDs that you have tested and know do work in other computers.

That way, you will have ruled out everything but the computer itself as the problem.

If it still won't boot from a known-good CD, then look for a nice charity that needs a Win98 box.

I guess if you are really determined, you could try swapping out the CD drive using one that has been proven to boot, making sure it loads a CD under Windows, then trying again.
Thank you for responding too. Good Advice and good points.

First) yes bios is correct

Second) burning from another pc (winxp) and I just can't seem to get it to work right. (I'm one of those who has never really needed to burn CD's and am just now thinking "gee could I have learned this years ago???")

I don't have any of the old CD's that came with the computer so i'll have to wing it. But, I do have a bootable Winxp CD that if that computer boots with that we know the computer will boot with Ubuntu and then the issue is with the iso, right?
 
Old 08-28-2009, 08:03 PM   #6
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Just asking
does it have a usb port?
if so, do you have a usb?

will it boot from usb in BIOS ?
if not, we can get around that as well

with your memry/ram, I would recommend the lighter ubuntus

wattOS 9.04
http://www.planetwatt.com/

crunchbanglite
http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/...ition_-_32-bit

and you can put it on usb without burning to cd too
persistent too

so, please answer those questions?
 
Old 08-30-2009, 07:51 AM   #7
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Another possible problem that I came across recently is that older CD drives may not have firmware support for the 800MB CDs that are most common these days. Perhaps you could try burning to 700MB CDs.
 
Old 08-30-2009, 09:10 AM   #8
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Just asking
does it have a usb port?
if so, do you have a usb?

will it boot from usb in BIOS ?
if not, we can get around that as well

with your memry/ram, I would recommend the lighter ubuntus

wattOS 9.04
http://www.planetwatt.com/

crunchbanglite
http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/...ition_-_32-bit

and you can put it on usb without burning to cd too
persistent too

so, please answer those questions?
I was going to recommend xubuntu as it is a lighter distro. I have a similar setup and even xubuntu is kind of laggy on it if I use more than one app or flash. I had never heard of the ones linked above but I'm going to check them out.
 
Old 09-01-2009, 07:54 AM   #9
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Just asking
does it have a usb port?
if so, do you have a usb?

will it boot from usb in BIOS ?
if not, we can get around that as well

with your memry/ram, I would recommend the lighter ubuntus

wattOS 9.04
http://www.planetwatt.com/

crunchbanglite
http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/...ition_-_32-bit

and you can put it on usb without burning to cd too
persistent too

so, please answer those questions?
yes it has two USB ports in the back but will not boot to a USB
 
Old 09-01-2009, 07:56 AM   #10
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Another possible problem that I came across recently is that older CD drives may not have firmware support for the 800MB CDs that are most common these days. Perhaps you could try burning to 700MB CDs.
Did that, went and purchased the CD-RW 700MB.
My problem is I can't seem to get this iso loaded on the CD correctly. Also my instructor at School as advised me to switch to CentOS as he feels its more Oracle friendly so i'm going to have load another iso.
 
Old 09-01-2009, 08:09 AM   #11
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I used to use InfraRecorder back when I ran Windows, and used it to burn my first Linux ISO to disc. I found the tool pretty simple to use.
Now, I haven't seen it in a long time, but I remember it being basically a 2-click operation to burn an ISO image to a disc. Don't quote me exactly, but basically:

1-- Select "Burn ISO image to disc"
2-- Using the file-locator dialog window, point it at the downloaded ISO file and select it.
3-- Hit the 'GO' button.

That's about it

Assuming no hardware problem with the burner device, it should burn the disc.

As mentioned above, definitely make sure the ISO file has a good MD5SUM and after the burn, verify the MD5SUM of the disc itself to make sure it burned OK. Also, please burn the disc at a SLOW speed if you can find an option to do so; burning at a fast speed in this case (a bootable ISO) doesn't gain you anything except a better chance of a new drink-coaster.

Sasha
 
Old 09-01-2009, 08:23 AM   #12
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If you're still having no luck with InfraRecorder, try ImgBurn:

http://www.imgburn.com/

And try a CD-R instead of CD-RW.
 
  


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