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Old 03-18-2003, 08:50 AM   #16
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Originally posted by mcleodnine
I hate XP!!!
i've been using XP Pro for almost a year and i dont seem to be able to do anything with it.

my whole experience started when one of my friends started brainwashing me with all of the Microsoft ideology "everyone uses it and so should you". i said "sounds cool, lets give it a try".

At the beginning it wasnt all that bad. instalation was smooth, etc, etc. started using it, was tied to Internet Explorer, hated the style, "look at me, am i cool or what??? im on XP and i haven't been screwed over!
then i said to myself ill plug my camera to the computer and check out some of my pictures. well i pluged it in and it installed a bunch of limited use shovelware bs that took over my system tray and gobbled resources, not to mention changing my preferred file type handling for jpegs (when it's not crashing). long story short, i waited for about 6 months for the vendor to get off its ass and publish something other than alpha code to support this piece of crap.

after this i was a little bit discouraged, so i calmed down and said to myself, "well, it aint that bad, ill play a game and take it easy". i went and bought Unreal tournament and it was great! Well, after I installed several updates, got new drivers for my video card and signed so many EULAs (have you ever read one of those?) that I think I actually agreed to have my ass laminated and paint the entire Microsoft campus with my tongue. At least I can do something entertaining on this machine when I'm not painting.

its been pretty much like that with the next issues:

my monitor wont stop laughing at me
couldnt get my printer to shut the hell up ("Printing Started!")
i cant burn my *.iso CD without bringing my system to a crawl and forcing a reboot after the process
cant install most of the programs i download
have no source code for anything
Can't view web pages with .png files
I have to use the GUI to watch a movie (I use mplayer at the console)
MS Media Player is a gossipy little *@#$
I can't watch any of the movies I recorded in another format.
can't read my macintosh formatted media,
I can't watch movies over 2Gb filesize.
My laminated ass makes me slip off my chair
Can't run acidrip


a week ago my computer totally f**cked up slowing to a crawl while it mass-mailed confidential client information caused by a worm which was installed by a visiting chimpanzee who was reading his hotmail on my machine.
couldnt do anything and most people in the world with the same problem reinstalled the whole thing
had to reinstall and lost pretty much everything. Re-installing was difficult as XP wanted me to buy another license and I had to -re-register all my accounting software. I thoroughly enjoyed being treated like a criminal.

right now i find myself most of my time using lawn art.
BA HA HA HA, I was literally laughing out loud while I read this

Nice comparison btw, ha ha ha

Cool
 
Old 03-18-2003, 09:02 AM   #17
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linux is not versatile

i do agree with your viewpoints from my previous one year's work over the jerk, but first we should know that Linux is certainly not for all-purpose. at the moment it's mainly aimmed at those command-line nerds who hate everything being at hand, so if you wanna just have a try, don't need to complain too much about it.

i have been with linux for one year, basically now am able to manipulate it besides those millions of kernel things. but before i always couldn't help shouting out "fsck you" to the screen and keyboards, and reinstalled nearly 20 times. but little by ilttle i could find the way to get out of troubles

actually i also don't find much sense that linux does with media, documents, and such colorful staff easy to run in windows, but there's high value for programmers, easier to edit, compile, test, and so on.

the best way for a beginner to avoid losing data is to set different partition for linux mount root, and data (/home) disk. put all your data on to the data part, so u don't hv to worry about system corruption or reinstallation. i feel better to be in linux Kde crystal interface, mainly because this is more boring than WinXP so i could concentrate on programming. but am sure, for most of us, WinXP is still the best, not from the view of programmer and server, i mean for everything, and everything that might reflict our colorful world. and i do think linux games really suck, so i won't install any after a try earlier.

at the moment i just wanna know one answer, that why the hell my wireless network connection eth1 cannot be activated(in RedHat 8)?

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Old 03-18-2003, 12:40 PM   #18
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I have a feeling Linux is doomed to live out it's life as a quaint little hobby for lonely, pimple-faced, self-efacing, dateless, jobless, W.T.O. protester types if they don't make it a little more user-friendly.
Does anyone else find this extremely offensive? What type of person are you then loran? The type who is too lazy to figure out how to run a good stable OS so instead buys the latest crap from the evil empire? Do you like bluescreens? Do you like having your personal information stolen and used for unknown reasons? Do you like being a shill? A lemming?

Remember this website is our home, how would you feel I came over to your favorite win forum and said "windows is just for meatheads who like being bent over and drilled by BG"?

get some class.

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Old 03-18-2003, 12:59 PM   #19
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Does anyone else find this extremely offensive? What type of person are you then loran? The type who is too lazy to figure out how to run a good stable OS so instead buys the latest crap from the evil empire? Do you like bluescreens? Do you like having your personal information stolen and used for unknown reasons? Do you like being a shill? A lemming?

Remember this website is our home, how would you feel I came over to your favorite win forum and said "windows is just for meatheads who like being bent over and drilled by BG"?

get some class.
Always take it with a grain of salt when you see a thread marked "I hate Linux" and the person has < 10 posts. Especially when they say "I've been using linux for a year now and I can't do anything with it!!! Its too hard!!!"

Oh waaaah!

My SO uses Mandrake, she installed 9.0 with me and she's only had it for 2 months and she can use it as well as (and she uses it more often than) windows

This person comes across as a troll, nothing more...and I bit.
 
Old 03-18-2003, 12:59 PM   #20
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I have a feeling Linux is doomed to live out it's life as a quaint little hobby for lonely, pimple-faced, self-efacing, dateless, jobless, W.T.O. protester types if they don't make it a little more user-friendly.
That's just plain wrong. totally wrong seeing as how IBM and other companies are investing millions of dollars into developing it, and how it is already running an extremely notable percentage of internet servers.

loran, think before you type. Offense is not taken lightly.
 
Old 03-18-2003, 01:07 PM   #21
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Sometimes I hate Linux too, but I try to remind myself that I hate Windows and what it $tand$ for even more.

One thing I like about Linux is that it does, indeed, seem to be crash-free, just as I had heard. It's been almost six days since I last rebooted. I was lucky to go six hours without rebooting, with Win98. And when Linux has crashed, it's most likely been because of something I did carelessly or wrong, not because of a weakness in the operating system.

Another thing I like about Linux--no, make that LOVE about Linux--is that it is not a Microsoft product.

That alone is enough to make me stick with it, regardless of the pains I may endure. (Luckily I have a competent professional computer technician to help me out when necessary--but even otherwise I hope I would remember that it's a moral matter as much as a technical one, for me, to choose Linux.)
 
Old 03-18-2003, 01:27 PM   #22
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I generally agree that Linux is harder than Windows to configure, however, any statement that Windows does ANYTHING besides games or easy install of programs better than Linux is plain old wrong. I have used UNIX/Linux too long to be objective and see the starting point I was at but can state from real experience that Linux, in every other respect is as easy or easier than Windows with the 'Apples to Apples section below'

1) My wife, pure click and run, knows nothing about how a computer works and DOES NOT ever want to know uses Redhat 8.0 and loves it. No compatibility problems with OpenOffice 1.0. Once she got a handle on Virtual Desktops, there was no stopping her. Since the install, how many times have I fixed something on her system: zero. Before with W2K, 3 times a week, every week. Really enjoys skip free CDs. She reburnt all the ones she had created in Windows on Linux using k3b after a 5 minute tutorial.
2) My Mom and Dad, 70+, love Mandrake, can't figure out why anyone would want to stay with Windows.
3) My brother, sister, 2 sister in laws and a brother in law all use Redhat 8.0. No troubles no worries and I don't get the 4-6 calls saying can you help me cause xyz is no longer working.
4) 50+ colleague who now telecommute with Linux.
5) My son, with my first donated Nvidia card plays tuxracer so much (the commercial version) he gives me typically a 30 second head start when we go head to head.

Linux is by far so much more powerful/stable and EASY to use than Windows. (I forget exactly, but about a year ago it took me at least an HOUR to navigate and find ALL the places to configure the internet in Windows for a 12 year old.) Redhat 8.0 and Mandrake 8.2 have made my life so much easier cause I could finally dump Windows off every machine I come in contact with.

The above said...

Apples to Apples

Linux is MUCH harder to get working for the newbie because it has to be installed and configured by the user. The install has come a long way, but is still daunting. Is it any harder than XP...not by a long shot and I can post a bunch of links if desired. Between being caught in 'Driver Hell', EULA traps, software incompatibiltiy and last I read 4 reboots to install XP...you get the idea.

If, as IS the case for all my family and friends, Linux is factory installed and configured (by me no less), and they simply get the finished product that just works...they are as happy as clams. Not only does everything work, it just keeps on working.

I put it to anyone that 95% and maybe more of entire Window user installed base has never and will never install Windows on their system. It comes pre-installed with Windows, and for most, new OS means buy a new computer. I am not talking upgrades, which in Linux are beyond easy, complete OS installs where it didn't exist before.

That is why I post at many sites, but want to keep bringing up that Linux doesn't suck, the commercial pre-installed state of the industry bought/blackmailed by MS is what really sucks and therefore newbies forced to sometimes having a really hard time getting installed sucks.

RO

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Old 03-18-2003, 02:04 PM   #23
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[...] want to keep bringing up that Linux doesn't suck, the commercial pre-installed state of the industry bought/blackmailed by MS is what really sucks and therefore newbies forced to sometimes having a really hard time getting installed sucks.

RO [/B]
Amen! And that touches on my main point, which is that the Windows "industry" is fundamentally immoral in its planned obsolescence, EULA's that they HOPE you won't read, and (what was the final straw for me) the assumption that you're basically a criminal and are going to install unlicensed setups--so they'll make it impossible to do it without phoning them and proving you're innocent (anybody read the Constitution lately?), etc.

I agree that 95% of Windows users (probably more than that) will never consider another operating system. It's too, too, too bad. I believe these users are locking themselves into a system that is not only greed-driven but actually criminal at heart.
 
Old 03-18-2003, 02:14 PM   #24
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I'm mostly in agreement with nef. I don't hate Linux but on the other hand if you're explaining then you've already lost. Nef hasn't returned to this thread - just made up his mind, ranted and left.

He wants to like Linux. Sorry folks, but that means that even though he's wrong, we've lost this one. :/
 
Old 03-18-2003, 02:23 PM   #25
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first of all, thanx for the replies

hi hi
actually i was expecting that reaction from the linuxquestions users. my thread started "i hate linux" just to catch peoples atention (which it did)

i never meant to compare linux with windows and i know that linux is more powerfull, etc, etc.
if i ever changed from windows to linux it was because i was sick of crashing (which is true does not happen with linux).
im not considering changing my distro, the problems i have are, i think linux general.

i just do think linux should find an easier way to install stuff. i thought for a while, that that way were the rpms. but as i said, when trying to install pyslsk from rpms, it asked me to download python and wxpython which ask me for some libraries which i havent been able to find.
i think it is pretty annoying to download a program and have to download dependencies which need some other dependencies and so on.

i never meant to offend anyone by saying i hate linux, i still think its better than windows and i still hate m$ and bill gates getting into my box and making me sign EULAs (by the way i really liked the parody macleodnine made about my post i was actually laughing).
and yes, i still have the "born to frag" wallpaper with the flying tux screensaver.

this does not change that i still find myself on winxp lots of time. the things that keep me chained to my windows partition are:

1. My soulseek (for those who dont know what this is, its the best p2p program if you want to download electronic music)
2. My DjMixes2k.com (the best place to download dj livesets) that wont allow me to download from their site while using linux, and hjsplit which they use to split the files
3. My ability to burn cuefiles (also for those who dont know, cuefile is a .txt file that works as a disk image, enabling the user to burn a large mp3 dividing it into tracks, very useful when burning dj sets)
4. That annoying flickering on my monitor and the nvidia drivers(which arent as important as the ones above)
5. Also a little bit less, the printer, but i dont really worry about that
(if anybody has an answer to any of my problems please let me know)

also i would like to say that before posting i searched throughout the other posts and tried their solutions. i didnt post a reply on those because they were dead a long time ago. and i dont have a lot of replies because i cant really help a lot of people with what i know.

i repeat, this isnt meant to be a "why using linux instead of windows"
its more of a "encourage the newbies" and "help me solve some of my problems hihi" thread.

please continue posting your opinions
thanx
NEF
 
Old 03-18-2003, 02:35 PM   #26
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I agree about the difficulty posed by missing dependencies! I would be more than willing to seek them out and install them (well, at least when there are not dozens at a time...) but as a beginner I'm totally lost as to how to do it; when I find one on the Web I'm not sure it's the right thing, or if it might damage my setup if I did install it--and even when I can find the right one, half the time I have no idea where it should go!

I realize nobody is to blame for this state of affairs, because of the way the Linux community puts things together piecemeal. I have no quarrel with that, but it's sad that somehow things can't be made a little less intimidating for beginning users.

Without professional help I doubt I'd ever have been able to run Linux, at least with my digital camera and CD-burner (which still poses problems). At this point, after a couple of months of nerve-wracking, head-scratching, sometimes ranting and raving tension, including several all-night sessions and I don't know how many reinstallations--I'm just letting things be as they are, trying not to be innovative, and enjoying what I can.

And I try to remember how much I enjoy the speedy, stable, and comparatively greed-free environment I'm working in, when I do run into problems.
 
Old 03-18-2003, 03:00 PM   #27
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OK, well if you want solutions, lets start looking at the problem and forget about the blame.

nef, what's the manufacturer and model of your monitor and what is your graphics card manufacturer, model and chipset?

What's the maufacturer and model of your printer?

What's the manufacturer of your CD writer?
 
Old 03-18-2003, 03:25 PM   #28
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pyslsk is a complete bastard to install to be fair, all the rpm's ARE on rpmfind.net, but there are an awful lot, and wxwindows is a horrid toolkit too imho...
 
Old 03-18-2003, 03:36 PM   #29
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agree with that acid_kewpie

now, for q*bert:

monitor: viewsonic e90
video card : nvidia geforce 2

printer: doesnt really matter since its plugged to another computer but if you have any info on how to share a printer or a folder with winxp (the other computer is my sister and she wont change to linux even if i payed her)

cdwriter: sony (something something), i dont really remember but i think the problem is the software, i used xcdroast (i was able to burn music and copy cds but never found out how to burn data) and since i last reinstalled i havent installed any burning program so i probably have gcombust (which comes with mandrake). but if you know how to burn cuefiles you should know that even on winxp not every cd burning software is able to burn cuefiles
 
Old 03-18-2003, 03:58 PM   #30
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Hey don't be so hard on me, at least I'm trying it. Thats alot more than can be said about most windows users.
 
  


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