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ok, now im really pissed off!!!
i've been using mandrake linux for over a year and i dont seem to be able to do anything with it.
my whole experience started when one of my friends started brainwashing me with all of the linux ideology. i said "sounds cool, lets give it a try".
At the beginning it wasnt all that bad. instalation was smooth, etc, etc. started using it, loved mozilla, liked the style, "look at me, am i cool or what??? im on linux and it aint that hard"
then i said to myself ill plug my camera to the computer and check out some of my pictures. well i pluged it in and nothing happened. long story short, i tryed for about 6 months to find out how to make this work (finally i found linuxquestions.org and found the answer, one of the only things i have actually gotten right).
after this i was a little bit discouraged, so i calmed down and said to myself, "well, it aint that bad, ill play a game and take it easy". i opened tux racer and it was so slow, it was unplayable. i looked over the internet and realized that the problem were the nvidia drivers. downloaded, tryed to install, couldnt install, etc, etc. posted a thread on linuxquestions, got 1 answer that didnt lead anywhere posted a reply for that answer, nobody has ever looked at this thread ever since.
its been pretty much like that with the next issues:
my monitor wont stop flickering (started a thread on that too)
couldnt install pyslsk (linux version of soulseek)
couldnt get my printer to work
i cant burn my cuefiles onto cds
cant install most of the programs i download
cant download from my favorite site (supported by anti-leech which only supports win32 platform)
a week ago my computer totally f**cked up showing a
"init "1 to 6" respawning too fast, disabled for 5 minutes
no more processes left in this runlevel
couldnt do anything and most people on linuxquestions with the same problem reinstalled the whole thing
had to reinstall and lost about 200 photos of merchandise for a catalog
right now i find myself most of my time using winxp
if you have such a big problem with Mandrake why don't you try RedHat or SuSE? i've been using RedHat for awhile now and at first i had a little problem installing stuff and getting everything to work right, but after awhile i learned how to use it and it works really well,..stuff installs really nicely,..most of the time when i have a problem installing stuff it is just a syntax error where i mis-spelled something.
I hear ya! I'm almost there myself. There's an old saying about "free" stuff...you get what you pay for. I have a feeling Linux is doomed to live out it's life as a quaint little hobby for lonely, pimple-faced, self-efacing, dateless, jobless, W.T.O. protester types if they don't make it a little more user-friendly.
Not to rip apart your reply Zero, but I don't think it's the distro in this case. The nvidia problem is probably causing the screen to flicker and sadly maybe even the run-level respawn error, both unrelated to the distro.
However it's often a good idea to try out other distros until you find one you like, so maybe giving those others a try might "re-spice" your love for linux.
As for your problems, I usually suggest compiling the nvidia drivers from the tarballs. Compiling from source seems to work best for everyone, and there are enough threads (including a sticky at the top of this forum from Trickykid) on installing from source that it shouldn't be too hard for anyone.
Any other problems you come up, post em up. Sometimes threads get overlooked, sometimes it's a post that comes up day after day so people don't pay it as much attention. If you find your posts being "ignored" try doing a site search on your problem, see if it's a common thing. If so, try some of the solutions already posted. If it's not common, go ahead and "bump" your thread. I personally try to take a peak at threads that don't get alot of attention, I will even sometimes research the answers on those questions to help out the person.
Don't get too discouraged, sometimes things just go extremely well.
Originally posted by loran I hear ya! I'm almost there myself. There's an old saying about "free" stuff...you get what you pay for. I have a feeling Linux is doomed to live out it's life as a quaint little hobby for lonely, pimple-faced, self-efacing, dateless, jobless, W.T.O. protester types if they don't make it a little more user-friendly.
Be careful what you call us...
I don't agree with "you get what you pay for", but that's another argument, elsewhere. As for the user-friendliness, it is actually VERY user friendly (if you get the user friendly distros). It's not "windows-convert-friendly" but then why should it be. It's user friendly if you open yourself up, stop restraining yourself to the win-frame of mind for everything, and allow yourself to learn how things work differently. A good portion of the people who I've read post things like "Linux sucks" are because they want it to be win. It's not, it's not related, it's not competing, it's just not. It's linux. Take it as that and you'll see it's much easier, and MUCH more user-friendly than "people" would like to make it out to be.
I take no offense to you ripping apart my reply MasterC. I'm just saying that instead of saying that it sucks, maybe try asking your question again, or try another distro. you just have to expiement with them until you find the right one.
as for what loran said, the whole thing about getting what you paid for, i don't really agree with that. i feel that though Linux may be free, that it is still one of the better OS's. i haven't used a Windows box yet that can compare to the power of Linux. as for user-friendlyness, I personally find Linux to be very user-friendly.
I have played with various versions of Linux over the years but only converted recently. I tried Mandrake and found it really bloated and slow. I decided to go the so-called "hard route" and went Debian. It's fantastic! Much faster than M$ because its only got the stuff I need. I truely dread having to into Windows to to do things that are only available on it. The key is really to approach Linux as an open book and starting learning from scratch. There are a lot of helpful people around. Read as much as you can but when you get stuck they will probably be able to help.
I halfway agree with you, TigerOC. you have to look at Linux as what it is, Linux. It is nothing more. you can't compare it to Windows or it probably won't be to your liking. look at it as an open book, but still know that it is Linux and not Windows.
The Desktop (GNOME) and the applications are no compare to those on W2K platform; they are much slower, and the integrity is far from satisfying. Furthermore, you need to face a million configuration files, each of which seems to have a million reasons to exist.
But still, I stick with it (for a couple of months to date, at least). I believe its network/server capabilities will eventually shine through.
And I would really like to know if you (from newbies to gurus) believe that the gap between Linux as a workstation and Windows 2K/XP will in time diminish.
Well - the big problem that probably won't go away anytime soon is drivers and easy integration for new hardware like in his case the printer and the camera.
That won't change anytime soon since the manufacturers of the hardware are starting to get things to work on M$ software long before it hits the market and Linux is an afterthought at best.
What keeps me away from M$ is the fact that you have to open your box over the network for M$ to intrude.Otherwise you can't connect at all.
I am always in a state of shock when I use Explorer somewhere and find out about the ad and popup hell that is out there.
You see everything has it's pro's and con's.
Last edited by crashmeister; 03-18-2003 at 05:44 AM.
Please? Oh my god... KDE and GNOME aren't the only Desktop Environements or Window Manager. And what 'millions' of 'config files' you mean? They're clean, clear and self-explaining. Just the way they have to be.
But I never liked Redhat, and most of the poster of this thread use Redhat... Isn't that strange? A distrochange might help.
I hate XP!!!
i've been using XP Pro for almost a year and i dont seem to be able to do anything with it.
my whole experience started when one of my friends started brainwashing me with all of the Microsoft ideology "everyone uses it and so should you". i said "sounds cool, lets give it a try".
At the beginning it wasnt all that bad. instalation was smooth, etc, etc. started using it, was tied to Internet Explorer, hated the style, "look at me, am i cool or what??? im on XP and i haven't been screwed over!
then i said to myself ill plug my camera to the computer and check out some of my pictures. well i pluged it in and it installed a bunch of limited use shovelware bs that took over my system tray and gobbled resources, not to mention changing my preferred file type handling for jpegs (when it's not crashing). long story short, i waited for about 6 months for the vendor to get off its ass and publish something other than alpha code to support this piece of crap.
after this i was a little bit discouraged, so i calmed down and said to myself, "well, it aint that bad, ill play a game and take it easy". i went and bought Unreal tournament and it was great! Well, after I installed several updates, got new drivers for my video card and signed so many EULAs (have you ever read one of those?) that I think I actually agreed to have my ass laminated and paint the entire Microsoft campus with my tongue. At least I can do something entertaining on this machine when I'm not painting.
its been pretty much like that with the next issues:
my monitor wont stop laughing at me
couldnt get my printer to shut the hell up ("Printing Started!")
i cant burn my *.iso CD without bringing my system to a crawl and forcing a reboot after the process
cant install most of the programs i download
have no source code for anything
Can't view web pages with .png files
I have to use the GUI to watch a movie (I use mplayer at the console)
MS Media Player is a gossipy little *@#$
I can't watch any of the movies I recorded in another format.
can't read my macintosh formatted media,
I can't watch movies over 2Gb filesize.
My laminated ass makes me slip off my chair
Can't run acidrip
a week ago my computer totally f**cked up slowing to a crawl while it mass-mailed confidential client information caused by a worm which was installed by a visiting chimpanzee who was reading his hotmail on my machine.
couldnt do anything and most people in the world with the same problem reinstalled the whole thing
had to reinstall and lost pretty much everything. Re-installing was difficult as XP wanted me to buy another license and I had to -re-register all my accounting software. I thoroughly enjoyed being treated like a criminal.
right now i find myself most of my time using lawn art.
Last edited by mcleodnine; 03-18-2003 at 08:18 AM.
mcleodnine - you said it even better than i was gonna. Linux is not Win. They do not try to be each other. Win tries to be completely plug-and-play and provide easy-to-find programs to do most normal stuff. If, however, you want to play movies formatted in a non-mainstream format, or edit the M$ system backup programs, or provide a bulletproof connection to the internet, you'll have problems. Linux provides excellent stability, security, and modification-ability. They provide easy-to-find programs to do most normal stuff. They will be DIFFERENT programs from the ones M$ provides, but they will accomplish the same purposes. Linux will allow you to alter the OS to your liking, and will allow you to control the outside-access to your box while you're browsing. But if you want to run all the latest games, plug a brand-new-release digital camera into the firewire port and use it's M$-only software, or never ever see a real command line, you'll have problems.
Both OS's have legitimate places in the world, just like both compact cars and Heavy-Duty Chevy trucks have legitimate places in the world. MOST people could be satisfied on a Mac, Win, or Linux box. SOME people will only be satisfied with a system which puts ultimate control in THEIR hands - these people end up on Linux, or related OS. I use my roommate's X-Box in the next room over for my "big" gaming. He uses my Linux box when he needs computing done reliably.
btw, I'm running dual-monitors on my Linux box @1200x1600 each and 75Hz refresh rates - when i was booting WinXP on the identical hardware it would only do 1280x1024@60Hz. ALL the hardware in my box was released in the last year except for my floppy drive, and I run an external CDRW off of firewire. - once you get the right drivers for Linux, it is not slower or less capable of handling top-of-the-line hardware or graphics than windows.
nef - if you're looking for an "effortless" running environment and don't mind the M$ software, go back to Win for another year or so. Get yourself happy again with computers, and you'll enjoy your next foray into the fast-improving world of Linux. And please, PLEASE, learn to back your work up regularly!