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Old 02-14-2014, 10:20 AM   #31
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Actually no, the don't, Ubuntu has been using its own init syste for quite some time now, as a number of posters have pointed out, it has also made a number of other changes like Unity, and is trying to get rid of X via way of Mir, another purely Canonical project.
Ubuntu also suffers from a major case of not invented here where Upstart replacements are concerned.
http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316
Ubuntu goes systemd as well.
 
Old 02-14-2014, 10:33 AM   #32
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Do you honestly believe what your writing?

Sure, it's all a big conspiracy and the upstream kernel people aren't involved at all.
Shuttleworth's mail is cheap political politeness, nothing more, also I sincerely doubt that he actually has much to do with these types of technical decisions.

But frankly I do not care as I am currently migrating to Gentoo and my long-term plans involve ditching Linux altogether in favour of one of the BSDs.

It will be a bit more work, and I would definitely miss apt, but enough is enough, clearly the bulk of the Linux community doesn't have the brains and the balls to call Potthead and his pack of cultists on their bullshit.

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Old 02-14-2014, 10:41 AM   #33
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But frankly I do not care as I am currently migrating to Gentoo and my long-term plans involve ditching Linux altogether in favour of one of the BSDs.
Gentoo fully supports systemd and accepts "systemd-only" dependencies as well.

PS: as for the BSD's ... you'll be unpleasantly surprised about the next FreeBSD announcements ...

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Old 02-14-2014, 10:46 AM   #34
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Systemd works fine on Arch and Fedora. It's too bad no one has ANY faith in the Debian devs to pull it off.
 
Old 02-14-2014, 11:03 AM   #35
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Gentoo fully supports systemd and accepts "systemd-only" dependencies as well.
Yeah, which are not default, as much as anything actually is in a rolling release distro.

Hint, Gentoo, unlike some other douchebags, gives you a choice

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PS: as for the BSD's ... you'll be unpleasantly surprised about the next FreeBSD announcements ...

Link or GTFO, although knowing you the above comment was just more idiotic posturing.

Also how much is Potthead/Window$Hat paying you to spread the propaganda?

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Old 02-14-2014, 11:10 AM   #36
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Also how much is Potthead/Window$Hat paying you to spread the propaganda?
Seriously?!
 
Old 02-14-2014, 11:12 AM   #37
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Seriously?!
Yeah, I want to know how much a man(or woman's) soul is worth these days
 
Old 02-14-2014, 11:42 AM   #38
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My exit strategy if Slackware breaks one day:

Server: BSD (obvious choice)
Client: OS X and Android
 
Old 02-14-2014, 11:44 AM   #39
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It will be a bit more work, and I would definitely miss apt, but enough is enough, clearly the bulk of the Linux community doesn't have the brains and the balls to call Potthead and his pack of cultists on their bullshit.
Seriously?

I think the "bulk" of linux community probably sees it a little differently than you do. People who are as displeased as you claim to be, would probably fork/maintain the sysvinit stack themselves and use it - or, move on. I do not see the point in calling other people names.

There is plenty of choice - as you have indicated yourself in your first post. Move on - or, of course, waste time and energy in complaining that people are changing what you think is the perfect implementation of feature x,y,z.

The choice, as always, is yours.

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Old 02-14-2014, 11:57 AM   #40
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vl23, you've been a member here long enough to know this kind of language and behavior is not acceptable here at LQ. Please refrain from it moving forward.

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Old 02-14-2014, 12:02 PM   #41
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Additionally, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...9/#post5117706 seems apropos here.

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Old 02-14-2014, 12:13 PM   #42
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But people should also get engaged and interested in understanding other *people* and finding ways to work with other people in difficult situations, since at the end of the day our communities are about people, not software.
Good point, but I doubt you can make this work with the actual attitude of the systemd maintainer. Understanding is a two-way thing.
 
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Old 02-14-2014, 12:44 PM   #43
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Good point, but I doubt you can make this work with the actual attitude of the systemd maintainer. Understanding is a two-way thing.
So your contention is that all discussions should devolve to the attitude of the party perceived to be acting the worst?

--jeremy
 
Old 02-14-2014, 01:03 PM   #44
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Additionally, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...9/#post5117706 seems apropos here.

--jeremy
A battle is truly lost only when the other party is completely dead, Shutteworth is either tryng to be political about it, or for whatever reason he just wants to follow the heard along with debian.
No Thanks.
As to the Allarby link, well I did try systemd, I did read through some of the Opendesktop documentation, I did watch a number of videos and read a bunch of E-mails from Pottering, and guess what, I do not like it and I will not stand for this bullshit.

The day I will run that thing voluntarily on my systems again is the day Pottering's fanboys take sysvinit, openrc, Upstart, and every single other init system that is not systemd, including any bad homebrew, I might manage to cook up, from my cold dead hands, figuratively speaking of course
 
Old 02-14-2014, 01:04 PM   #45
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This is your absolute last warning about the language. The next transgression will result in an immediate temporary ban.

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