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Old 01-15-2003, 09:32 PM   #61
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That p.o.s. has been re-dedicated to winbloz thanks to you all. Please consider this matter closed. Thank you all. Now my kids can do what they want and I can get on with serious computing with my Linux virgin.

Sorry to have taken so much of your time on a windows problem!

You folks are the best!
 
Old 01-15-2003, 10:42 PM   #62
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hey, everyone deals with Windows problems, that's why we have Linux. LOL
 
Old 01-16-2003, 01:53 AM   #63
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ok, sorry for the late reply, but I went for option B first (going for beer), so after a few beers and some dancing I'm home, but now I have another problem (even more serious than drinking and driving) and that is Drinking and Windows. so until I'm sober tomorrow (and my roommate is off the computer, Linux still works), I'm going to call it a night. If I can actually make it out of bed early tommorrow before pulling a 13 hour shift, I'll give it a try then.
Dave
 
Old 01-16-2003, 07:47 AM   #64
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no luck

ok, did the hide/unhide thing and still no luck What now?
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Old 01-16-2003, 08:47 AM   #65
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My turn to drink and think! Let me reread this and see what we missed!
 
Old 01-16-2003, 10:16 AM   #66
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well.. it was a long journey to read all that but it was really informative thanks to everybody, especially our Hero Deadbug loool

thackered, why don't you just try LILO???
 
Old 01-16-2003, 01:15 PM   #67
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murshed, that may be the answer, but the problem doesn't seem to be the boot loader--it is chainloading to the partition. It isn't finding an operating system to trigger. Anyway, thanks for the compliment.

Dave, I'm thinking we missed something. I want to go back to what you did to get this partition set up that you have now.

1. You started with a small (2MB) partition, followed by a FAT32 partition with Windows 98 that consumed the rest of the disk. You ended up with a 100 MB /boot partition (hda1), then a FAT32 partition for Windows (hda2), then the rest of your Linux partitions. You used FIPS to split the Windows (hda2) partition to make room for the others.

2. No problems until you upgraded Gnome and needed information from Windows and it wouldn't start.

The things I'm not sure of:

1. How did you get the extra space to enlarge hda1? The only way I can see is to have moved the starting point of hda2, which FIPS will not do without losing data. Fdisk would have also trashed the partition. Do you see where I'm going with this?

2. Does your computer really need the /boot partition in the 1024 cylinders? If your BIOS can handle LBA (can address large hard drives), it probably doesn't have a 1024 problem. My computer is older than I care to think about (Win98 generation) and I don't have this problem. In general, for systems after '97 this is not an issue.

3. Does Linux mount the partition? You're using Red Hat 8.0, which should automatically identify and mount a FAT32 partition. It will be in your /mnt subdirectory. Have you looked at it? Use a file manager to scan what is there. Look for autoexec.bat, config.sys, io.sys and msdos.sys. In general, does it look like your C:\ drive should?

Throughout this thread there have been references to making sure the partition is set to active. The hide/unhide only affect the hda1 partition. Some previous versions of Windows are helped by using the Grub makeactive command. It should be added after the rootnoverify line, so your Windows boot section should look like this:

title Windows
hide (hd0,0)
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
makeactive
chainloader +1

You had asked about copying the system files. This generally overcomes problems when an NT system is added to a FAT32 partition and the NT partition is changed. I'm not sure you have this problem, but it is simple to do and hurts nothing to try it.

You will need sys.com added to your boot disk. Boot from the floppy and issue this command:

sys c:\

One comment you posted that concerns me was your inability to access your Windows partition after booting from the floppy. If, as I suspected, your system is giving c:\ to your /boot partition, it should give d:\ to your Windows one (in which case, sys d:\ is the command you want), but you should be able to access it. Actually, this ought to be a better look at your Windows partition.

Get back to me when you can, please.

Last edited by deadbug; 01-16-2003 at 01:20 PM.
 
Old 01-16-2003, 09:57 PM   #68
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1) not sure what the question is? I FIPSed the hd, things worked? my guess is hda2 was always windows. hda1 was that little 2MB thing? I vaguely remember at one point hda3 being boot, then hda4/5 deing linux and can't remember where the swap was.

2) I think it'll go beyond 1024, I don't know anything about LBA

3) linux doesn't mount the windows partion, I'm actaully working on that concurrently (if I can I'll back up what files I need)

tried the make active doesn't help

booted from floopy tried "sys c:\" and got a message that parameters not found or something, so I tried "sys c:" and it gave me the invalid media thing again.

I "cd d:" and it's the window virtual drive thing.

Dave
 
Old 01-16-2003, 10:26 PM   #69
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mnt C:

tried to mount c
used:
/dev/hda2 /mnt/c vfat defaults 0 0


get this message:

mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2,
or too many mounted file system

Doesn't look good

Dave
 
Old 01-17-2003, 10:31 AM   #70
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ok, after some thought, I think this is where things went wrong.....

background...
during the first install of linux I had to use disk druid to set up partitions because it wouldn't let me use automatic.

We I have a multicomputer system set up through a switch box, during that install my neofite (sp) roommate came home and saw somethign was going on and switched to the old Win98 box they use. Well when I switched back to Linux the install had crashed. no big deal reboot and start over.

Now here is where I think it went wrong, when I got to the partitioning part I said to my self lets try automatic again, so I did, the option comes up and I choose delete all linux partitions, and off we go, well that starts but then some message comes up and that that won't work, so I back up and use disk druid, well at this point I think that that little partition (which at some point might have been hda1) was gone and all I had left was hda2 (windows) and the rest of the disk as free, so I make 100mb boot, 1024mg swap and then root the rest.

I think I remember someone mentioning that windows might need some small partition at the front that it uses to actually do something from then goes to C: ?????

If that's the case then "deleting" that partion is our problem, re-duplicating that partition shouldn't be hard, but putting back on it what was there I have no idea?

Thoughts
Dave
 
Old 01-17-2003, 12:04 PM   #71
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been reading more

sounds like someone else had a similar problem with a dual windows boot...

http://www.experts-exchange.com/Oper..._20391741.html

why anyone would want windows once let alone twice baffles me.

I didn't understand a lot of the post but it looks like they were on the right track till they did the standard windows response of reinstall?
Dave
 
Old 01-17-2003, 12:11 PM   #72
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quick thought, would breaking out a couple GB of HD space to make a third partition or wiping off (linux temporarly) and reinstalling windows reset that windows boot sector? I'd leave the current windows partition alone, then after I was able to boot into windows (and back things up) try deleting the new windows, and reinstalling linux?
Dave
 
Old 01-17-2003, 01:09 PM   #73
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My thoughts are heading towards using the Windows CD to try to recover an existing installation (as recommended in the link you have).

My first question above confused you. Let me see if I can describe it a little differently. Think of your harddrive as a yard stick (or meter stick) and at various spots along it, we sub divide it. Originally, we only broke it into two divisions--a small one at the beginning and a huge one beyond that. The division point is at 1 inch ( or, if you want, 1 cm). The second part puts all of its important information right after the division point. On your hard drive this is called the superblock of the partition and it has the organization of the partition--what DOS calls the File Allocation Table--and boot information, if this is a bootable partition. In our example, this will be put between the 1 inch mark and the 1 1/4 inch mark.

Later we decide to make the first division larger. We're going to extend it out to 5 inches. If we aren't careful to properly move the important information between 1 - 1 1/4 inches, the expansion will just eliminate that information. While we will have a legitimate dividing line at the 5 inch mark, the second division will not have the important information it needs to understand how it is organized or what to boot.

I'm beginning to think this is what happened to your Windows partition. Nothing seems to be able to address that partition. Your boot disk will not let you look at it and Linux will not mount it. Linux is the real clue pill: if it can't mount it, there is a serious problem.

Big picture, you want to try to repair Windows or, that failing, reinstall Windows. If there is anything salvagable on the partition, Windows will not hurt it.

Before you do this, tho, make sure you have a Linux boot disk. The Windows repairs will ost likely overwrite your MBR and the best way to get back to Linux and fix that is with a boot disk.

Good luck.
 
Old 01-18-2003, 01:19 PM   #74
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partitions

ok, stupid question, using fdisk how do I get rid of all the linux partitions so I can create a new one to temp re-install windows. It won't let me delete the Extended partitions.
Dave
 
Old 01-18-2003, 01:23 PM   #75
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using Windows Fdisk you can't, but in Linux fdisk I believe it's you type 'd'. I could be wrong, it's been a little while since i had to use linux fdisk.
 
  


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