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Old 01-21-2005, 06:27 AM   #31
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Re: well, is 1.8gb "too much" these days?


Quote:
Originally posted by cmario00
Cheap mofo!!! You can get a 200 gig drive for about $90 ! Thats $0.45/gig.
Ever think he might have an older pc that can't run a 200gig HD???

Ever think for just a second! That maybe he doesn't care to throw a piece of good hardware into our already Over-Flowing LANDFILLS!!!

(although some people seem completely incapable of thinking about anyone besides themself...)
 
Old 01-21-2005, 08:36 AM   #32
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Quote:
Originally posted by SciYro
personally i just find binary to be unreliable *points at windows*
Sorry, but you can't compare a quality binary Linux distro such as Debian (a standard *known* for it's stability and reliability) to windows. Saying things like that tend to make people that know better (which would be pretty much everybody) take you... not so seriously.
 
Old 01-21-2005, 08:48 AM   #33
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GENTOO ROCKS YOUR WORLD!!! I have gentoo stage three, and it is beautiful. All dependancies and programs needed can be downloaded with two words on the command line. It is a thing of beauty, and I would recomend it for anybody. The hard drive usage thing isnt really a big deal. I have a 60 and a 120 Gig hard drive on my laptop and desktop respectivly, and my gentoo is only half the space on my laptop. with the swap and boot partitions, i probably only have about 28 gigs in my root partition, and i still dont have space problems.

P.S. USE FLUXBOX. I used to be a KDE user, but I have seen the light.
 
Old 01-21-2005, 09:07 AM   #34
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I never realised how often software got updated until I installed Gentoo.

Every few days I think "I'll just check if there's anything new while I've got five minutes", run emerge -p -u world, and then think "Ah. I'll leave that to run overnight, then."

I finally found an app I couldn't emerge yesterday - a plugin for GkrellM that refuses to compile. I was beginning to worry that it ws working too well
 
Old 01-21-2005, 09:32 AM   #35
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Quote:
Sorry, but you can't compare a quality binary Linux distro such as Debian (a standard *known* for it's stability and reliability) to windows. Saying things like that tend to make people that know better (which would be pretty much everybody) take you... not so seriously.
i also had problems with rpm mainly, tho debians apt-get system i do almost trust, i haven't used it long enough to say exactly how good it is ... worst thing i see in it, i cant find a way to search the package database

and yes, compiles occasionally fail, best thing you can do is try to install a newer version, if that don't work, try a older one
 
Old 01-21-2005, 09:41 AM   #36
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Originally posted by oneandoneis2
I never realised how often software got updated until I installed Gentoo.

Every few days I think "I'll just check if there's anything new while I've got five minutes", run emerge -p -u world, and then think "Ah. I'll leave that to run overnight, then."
Same with Debian (diff comand, I have an alias consisting of a single letter), with the exception of having to leave it to run overnight.

Quote:
Originally posted by juliensteel
All dependancies and programs needed can be downloaded with two words on the command line.
See above.

Quote:
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i also had problems with rpm mainly, tho debians apt-get system i do almost trust, i haven't used it long enough to say exactly how good it is ... worst thing i see in it, i cant find a way to search the package database
To search the database "apt-cache search packagename". I'm sure there are plenty of people who HAVE used apt long enough to know it's trustworthy. It's no newcomer.

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/ap...search.en.html

Last edited by Deeze; 01-21-2005 at 09:49 AM.
 
Old 01-21-2005, 12:36 PM   #37
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Quote:
Originally posted by oneandoneis2
I never realised how often software got updated until I installed Gentoo.
They don't put them all in either. It will skip those that there are problems with, not stable etc. There are a lot that you never see. I do mine every night. I also do a emerge -ev world every once in a while. Keep up with the USE changes and other flags.

Later

 
Old 01-21-2005, 12:45 PM   #38
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dalek: if ure upgrading just for the securitiy reason, you probably want to know more about GLSA.

cadj: i know when i have my first install of gentoo, i looked at the size ... and woha, 800M+ widout any X or "whatever server".
. so, what is so big in gentoo?
Code:
du -h /usr/portage/distfiles - 384M


and thats (what i think) exactly that what cost you so mutch of disk space. nothimg more nothing less. < 600M with kde? hmm, maybe on a binary base distro. let me take a look on the kernel source:
Code:
du -h /usr/src/linux-2.6.10-gentoo-r6 - 324M
so 384+324=708M, (800+)-708=92M+. its more like 150, but i forgot to say that i didnt remove the downloaded packages, that are in /usr/portage/distfiles and the unpacket that are in /var/tmp/portage. both u can safely remove ... and some more tmp dir ... but i dont care mutch about my free space, because i have a large disk (160G) and dont have such problems.
 
Old 01-21-2005, 02:29 PM   #39
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dalek: if ure upgrading just for the securitiy reason, you probably want to know more about GLSA.
I just like to keep up to date is all.

 
Old 01-21-2005, 06:47 PM   #40
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Is there anything in Gentoo similar to debfoster, something that handles orphan packages?

eg

Code:
gaim is keeping the following 3 packages installed:
  libao2 libgtkspell0 libstartup-notification0
Keep gaim? [Ynpsiuqx?], [H]elp:
this would be very nice
 
Old 01-21-2005, 07:15 PM   #41
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To SciYro:
To search packages is easy:
apt-cache search <key words>
After you see a nice package, to get a better discription, type:
apt-cache show <package>
(Though, installing Synaptic would make this all graphical and pretty)

Quote:
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Is there anything in Gentoo similar to debfoster, something that handles orphan packages?
Gentoo doesn't (YET) handle forgotten dependancies as well as Debian. Debian's strict Policy makes sure everything links together very logically and systematically. This is the reason why it's near impossible to break a pure Debian box.
 
Old 01-21-2005, 09:21 PM   #42
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thats good to know Sepero, cause my parents got a linspire PC (yes i know .....) , apparently its either pay money for cnr (and it doesn't even have at least 50% of my favorite open source games) .. or use apt-get

thanks for the link Deeze, i think ill go install something now ......

that was relatively painless (exept for a few errors .. i blames linspire) .... tho i don't exactly all the extra typing of commands compared to portage (but i don't think that exactly counts as a penalty ...) .... .. still tho i prefer portage, may take a lot (usually no more then 12 hours ... i think open office takes that long (thats why i use abiword))), its just more reassuring for me, especially since i use -fstack-protector on my system just in case ................ some things never change i guess (and i always thought the other way around of that)

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Old 01-22-2005, 06:20 AM   #43
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Originally posted by SciYro
thats good to know Sepero, cause my parents got a linspire PC (yes i know .....) , apparently its either pay money for cnr (and it doesn't even have at least 50% of my favorite open source games) .. or use apt-get
Hey, I've got nothing against Linspire at all. In fact, I almost got my sister a Linspire pc this christmas.(unfortunately, the suse box had higher specs...)

Anyway, I thought I read somewhere that apt will break CNR?
 
Old 01-22-2005, 07:26 AM   #44
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yes, it does, and it has

but CNR costs so much, and you get nothing for it!, theres hardly any programs, it ain't worth paying for ... plus it was hard to use, ill stick with apt-get on that system
 
Old 01-22-2005, 07:36 AM   #45
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Sorry to hear that, but I can't help laughing a little. It's sort of like, "Don't push the red-button? I wonder why not. I think I'll push it just to see..."

Did you know it would break CNR? Anyway, how much does CNR cost? (Also, I'm sure CNR could be repaired, I just don't know how. google?)
 
  


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