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Old 01-19-2005, 08:51 PM   #16
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Another thing that comes to mind is the time it takes to compile and install an app.

The slight increase in speed doesn't nearly make up for the time it takes to install.

or say you need to quickly install the gimp to modify a picture and send it to a friend. this cant happen because the gimp is literally hours away.

Gentoo is quite impressive, i just don't see it as very convenient
 
Old 01-19-2005, 09:00 PM   #17
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it is just as any source distro. If you have a crappy or old pc/laptop gentoo is good. If your pc is enough recent it might not be worth your time(compiling).

on a 600-800 MHZ a put debian or slackware with a window manager. On lower specs, gentoo, bsd or anything thing else with a decent package manager(ie not rpm).
 
Old 01-19-2005, 09:42 PM   #18
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"Good things come to those who wait."

 
Old 01-19-2005, 11:14 PM   #19
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cadj: while it does take a few hours, once its installed, a properly setup gentoo system, with a cron script to upgrade the system, will compile programs "in the background" as needed, and you only have to wait for the first compile/install ..... so its more to the setup once, forget about it till it needs some tweaking (say a bad package that needs removing, systems needs trimming/cleaning , etc, etc)

personally i just find binary to be unreliable *points at windows* ... but it does make since for older computers (unless you have a newer computer, and know how to cross compile ... then you can compile it on the new computer, and have it optimized for the older one)
 
Old 01-20-2005, 02:54 AM   #20
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it is just as any source distro. If you have a crappy or old pc/laptop gentoo is good. If your pc is enough recent it might not be worth your time(compiling).
pardon?
 
Old 01-20-2005, 06:49 AM   #21
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Gentoo compiles everything, unless you use binaries, regardless of how fast your PC is. The benefit is that when compiled it is optimized for that specific rig, which makes it a bit faster.

Where did that come from again?

Later

 
Old 01-20-2005, 08:03 AM   #22
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Originally posted by SciYro
personally i just find binary to be unreliable *points at windows*
True for MS, but I'm guessing you haven't given tried many non-rpm distros. (if any?)

Personally, I'm a software lover. I love to just test new programs sometimes. With source-based, I might not have the right "flags" to install a new piece of software. Besides that, it might take an hour or 2 to find out that program XYZ wasn't even worth the download. Having that a couple times with my dialup internet, and I'd probably want to shoot myself. (Because I'd never go back to MS)


apt-get install XYZ, wait a few minutes, execute. It works everytime.
 
Old 01-20-2005, 08:41 AM   #23
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I'm similar to Sepero, love testing and installing stuff all the time (Generally things like privoxy, gimp, some games)

Gentoo (And other src distro's) are probobly better for a static system (Set tasks/apps)

Honesty though, my debian box is the toughest box i have ever had. Software upgrades, downgrades and 3rd party debs have never broken the system. I have never had to do a hard restart, and kde might have a minor crash every now and then, but restarts quickly)

and i couldent think of a more bloat free box (Exept for KDE of course) at 689M used atm
 
Old 01-20-2005, 12:27 PM   #24
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pardon?
what don't you understand a word or everything i said/meant ...
 
Old 01-20-2005, 12:32 PM   #25
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Originally posted by mrcheeks
what don't you understand a word or everything i said/meant ...
The two of you apparently have conflicting beliefs.
You - Gentoo mainly for older machines
Him - Gentoo mainly for newer machines
 
Old 01-20-2005, 02:18 PM   #26
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I think they will work on both. Compile times may be longer on the older but it should be faster if compiled properly.

Later

 
Old 01-20-2005, 02:28 PM   #27
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well, is 1.8gb "too much" these days?

Cheap mofo!!! You can get a 200 gig drive for about $90 ! Thats $0.45/gig.

Stop being so frugal, get a drive, let me help you :

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...3018&CatId=134

I don't know debian, but gentoo is kick ass, except for the fact that the kernel compilation has been a fucking pain with all the problems devfs is giving me, but even that has nothing to do with gentoo in reality. I have it running on my desktop system, i was so happy with it i actually got rid of windows... not to be the cool hacker that doesn't use windows, but because i really thought: WOW, i have all i need !!! hurray !

Well, if anyone can answer my fucking question, i'll stop swearing.
 
Old 01-20-2005, 08:03 PM   #28
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well, is 1.8gb "too much" these days?
actually no, but if <700mb can do the same job then YES.

Why did i start this thread? oh yeah, for an open discussion on src gentoo and binary debian.

Dont swear, it comes across as very aggressive and is inappropriate. sure i have a guttermouth when im drinking with friends, but remember there are women / children on this forum.

Gentoo is fantastic, and nobody is bashing it here.

Luckily there is no flame war started in here and i have managed to get some usefull info regarding why people choose Gentoo.

Thank you
 
Old 01-20-2005, 10:45 PM   #29
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cmario00: devfs has been deprecated, mainly because its maintainer vanished i think

anyways, don't use devfs, udev is its replacement (tho i don't think its entirely "finished" as for as how much dev files it knows about, and can make) .... if you don't like either, don't use either, the /dev file in gentoo is populated by almost every dev file there is, the reason no one uses it, is mainly because some of the files make no since in there names to a lot of people, and also because there are so many of the files
 
Old 01-20-2005, 11:50 PM   #30
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I have been using udev for quite a while now. So far, so good.

Later

 
  


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