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jch02140 01-28-2006 11:22 PM

General question about linux
 
I do not really use linux much but I am wondering why most linux are open source or the developer decided
to make linux open source?

nenyo 01-28-2006 11:31 PM

im not 100% on this so correct me if im wrong someone...

linux is built by a bunch of people. if someone had to pay for it, it would not expand as rappidly as it has. i think it is a way of keeping the peace with people who want to develope but dont have billions of dollars to pay for the rights to an opporating system.

also... c'mon. its just cooler that way. you dont have to pay for an awsome os.

once again im not too sure about this but i thought i'd answer anyway.

cs-cam 01-28-2006 11:53 PM

Linux was written by a dude named Linus Torvalds as a free alternative to Minix and so he made the source code free as well. Just sort of snowballed from there I guess.

nenyo 01-29-2006 12:02 AM

i think its the "snowballing" part that i was discribing...

amosf 01-29-2006 12:04 AM

The idea of free and open software was started by people like RMS of course... He made the free tools and compiler available in the early days... He just wasn't very good at doing a kernel apparently ;) Linus came along and did that with linux... There were many other individuals and universities and organisations involved as well...

I think they are still working on Hurd, BTW :)

As for who really spawned Open Source. I think we need to thank the original (expensive) UNIX and software companies like MS for that... People felt they were losing their freedom in the computing world...

jch02140 01-29-2006 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by amosf
The idea of free and open software was started by people like RMS of course...

humm.. Who are RMS exactly?...

2damncommon 01-29-2006 01:17 AM

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...why most linux are open source...
Contrast users have freedoms with users are theives.
Linux got it's momentum from the GNU project and Linus' kernel.

cs-cam 01-29-2006 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jch02140
humm.. Who are RMS exactly?...

Richard Stallman. Stupid hippies...

www.fsf.org

pixellany 01-29-2006 10:41 AM

I have been reading Linus Torvalds' bio "Just for fun". The motiviation seems to be similar to what got Richard Stallman started on Open Source---i.e. the ability to tweak and modify.
Many do not realize that Open Source predates Linux. When Linus started his work, making it open was a natural--he was a college student at the time, and had net yet acquired a profit motive..;)

sundialsvcs 01-29-2006 11:03 AM

It might be said that Linus Torvalds "got the ball rolling," but the single most important thing that he did was to provide the work-product, without legal restrictions (but while retaining legal rights), on the Internet. Thus what was created was a collaborative development environment. It does also mean that Linus is not a mogul who drives a two-hundred-foot yacht, although the commercial impact of what he started is much greater.

If you look at the roster of names in the source-code, you will of course find hundreds of names; not only of individuals but also corporations. So there is not a single individual who "did it all," nor is thee a single corporation. And that, really, is the whole point. Linus is famous, not for being the uber-geek, but for dropping a pebble into a pond and then declining to build a fence around the expanding waves. That was the spark. The newly-created Internet provided fertile grounds for the subsequent explosion.

Now, you can decide for yourself whether this has anything at all to do with the simultaneous "software-is-free" argument that seems to be roiling on alongside it. In my opinion the two arguments are quite distinct. In my opinion, the Linux project simply altered the definition of "what do you charge for?"

No one, who collaborates on the Linux project or uses its work-product, charges either for the work or for the work-product. They do charge for their expertise in other areas, for "whatever they do for a living," but not for their work on Linux itself in its many parts. They are legally blocked from this.

So what you have is a symbiosis in which "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts." Where no one is having to re-invent the same wheel over and over again. Given that software, far from being "free," is actually atrociously expensive if paid-for in the usual business model, this distinctively different financial approach has some badly-needed advantages to the earlier status quo. And one of its very important advantages is that, unlike some of the "free beer" arguments that seem to be bouncing around, this one has proven to be commercially viable and to provide a meaningful framework for international cooperation.

If you want to see just how distinctively better this approach is, look at Microsoft's recent experience with Longhorn. It started out with the usual pantheon of amazing promises, and then, one by one, those features started to drop away. What finally shipped, as Vista, basically contained none of these "swell, new" features. Meanwhile, in the same amount of time, look what Linux added. Many of the Longhorn features are already available in the Linux camp. So, if we expand the picture from a simple examination of technology to a view of the Microsoft (traditional) approach as a business, Microsoft is seen as being forced to spend a tremendous amount of money, and to exert a tremendous amount of developer effort .. to accomplish decidedly less than Linux is doing, in decidedly more time. I don't think we've heard nearly the end of this yet. Microsoft isn't an incompetent company: it's just a traditional one, in what has ceased to be traditional times.

pixellany 01-29-2006 11:15 AM

I think OP got more answers than (s)he was looking for....;)
Wonderful how we learn from each other--regardless of whether we answer the original question...

jch02140 01-29-2006 05:16 PM

Thank you for those whom answered my questions. That is a lot of informations. :)

Tinkster 01-29-2006 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cs-cam
Richard Stallman. Stupid hippies...

www.fsf.org

Eh?! Surely you're jesting, right?


Cheers,
Tink

cs-cam 01-29-2006 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tinkster
Eh?! Surely you're jesting, right?


Cheers,
Tink

Yeah, but it was fun while it lasted :p

jch02140 01-31-2006 03:42 AM

Just curious, is RedHat originally open sourced? Or is the first linux to be developed?


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