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Old 11-15-2003, 11:33 AM   #1
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Drinking wine


after reformating my HDD and reinstall XP and RH9 i cant get wine to work
whenever i wanted to execute win appz shows a unhandled problems. previously i works fine with the same rpm file i installed but now i cant.
can it be the new kernel that caused the problem or i didnt enable someting in kernel when compiling new kernel which wine need it?
i'm running both kernel 2.4.28 and 2.4.22.

what should i do?
recompiling it from source also cant and i always shows error when compiling wine in source code.
 
Old 11-16-2003, 10:11 AM   #2
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You're dead on.
The new kernel won't work nicely with the RH version of wine because only RH specific kernels (and even then only some versions) have nptl compiled in them. That's a feature of 2.5+ kernels that RH backported to 2.4
Try a non-RH rpm and see if that works.
 
Old 11-16-2003, 12:49 PM   #3
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i manually compiled the kernel from source which i download it from kernel.org but i do use the default kernel 2.4.20-8 config file and tweak some of those that uneccessary and add some options in the new kernel of 2.4.22
 
Old 11-16-2003, 04:32 PM   #4
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I have been having the same problem with wine. But i am new to linux so i have no idea how to fix this or recomplie the kernel. I am useing Kernel 2.4.20-6 on am i686.
any ideas on how to get wine working? i tried their maling list but it was too active for them to help me.
 
Old 11-16-2003, 05:33 PM   #5
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You should use the non-rh rpms then.
Or compile wine from source. If you don't use the kernel provided by RH, the rpms for redhat won't work.
 
Old 11-16-2003, 06:06 PM   #6
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whatg do you mean? like a debian RPM? i think last time i tried that i failed dependencies and so i started to follow the dependency trail (try to install one RPM to allow for another RPM to work only to find i need another RPM for that first RPM to get the second RPM and so on and so on).
the Kernel i have is from Red Hat. Everything is standard on my computer so my kernel isn't different right? i just installed from the disks i got out of my "Teach yourself Red Hat 9" book.
how would i go about compiling from source? downloading the tar.gz file then untarring then ./configure then make, then make install? i think i have tried that and it had problems because it said i was missing libraries or something.
 
Old 11-16-2003, 06:27 PM   #7
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Try installing the missing libaries, RPMs in my opinion don't quite get dependancies right.
Source is defintely better then RPM, or get a real package management system from debian, gentoo or suse.

You can alternativly try different RH9 rpms, make sure they are for redhat 9 and not just redhat.
 
Old 11-17-2003, 12:04 AM   #8
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i thought drinking is prohibited in the forums...
 
Old 11-17-2003, 01:09 AM   #9
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teval,
what do you mean by getting a "real" package management system from debian, gentoo, or suse? First off, what is a package management system, second from what i have seen things designed for anthing other than RH don't work with RH....
 
Old 11-17-2003, 11:55 AM   #10
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A package management system is something like rpm.
RPM files are package, and the rpm program manages dependancies (although as you by now know rpm doesn't do that, just refuses to work when they are missing), and installing/uninstalling.
Other distributions have similar but far superior things. Debian has apt-get, Gentoo has portage, SuSE has YaST. There are others, but I think those are the big ones.
From what I've seen every one of those is far superior to rpm. They all download dependancies automatically, and install them for you. And apt-get, and portage (I have no YaST expirience so sorry if I don't include it here, and it should be) have a repository with programs. Thousands and thousands of programs, portage as for 10 minutes ago has 67102 programs. (some of them are different versions of the same program). apt-get has more then portage.
With portage for example I can upgrade my entire system automatically to the newest packages (sometimes 1 version old, because for a while packages are masked, for the first month or so, but you can easily override that) with emerge sync && emerge world
Say you want to install wine:

emerge wine

If you want winex you need to go to their website, and download teh current cvs, and portage will tell you where to put it so it can install it.
Or... say you want to get newest KDE
emerge kde

That's what I mean by a real package management system
 
Old 11-17-2003, 02:00 PM   #11
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and so, can i get one of those for my Red Hat system? or do i need to switch Linux builds to Debian, or SuSE?
 
Old 11-17-2003, 03:48 PM   #12
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I remember seeing a few guides on google about this a while back.

http://herzl.nylug.org/pipermail/nyl...ry/010356.html

That's one thread, just keep clicking next and see what they have to say.
I know it's possible, but it takes a long time to get it running on RH, and there would be a few conflicts I imagine, especially with the init scripts and the config files.

RedHat 9 is about to be officially discontinued in a few months. It's been pronounced dead already , RH isn't making another desktop Linux. They are sponsoring Fedora now. Which is kind of like RH 9, but with a lot more bugs.

You'll have to look for a new distro anyway, I'd recommend looking into Debian SuSE or Gentoo.
Gentoo is a little hard at first, because setting it up takes a while especially if your computer is slow. Everything is built from source, so it runs a little faster on your computer. It also doesn't have a preety installer (by choice ). There are plenty of guides though.

www.gentoo.org

The install guide is so detailed that if you follow it point by point, you'll get a running system in a day, and you'll learn a lot about Linux in the process.

Debian just got a new installer, so installing the newest debian should be very simple now. Make sure you are getting the newest version, even if it's a per-something because the installer just came out.
No SuSE expirience, but from what I've read, it's preety good.
 
Old 11-17-2003, 04:28 PM   #13
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so if i get something like gentoo will i be able to install all the programs that i had on rh9? like open office? gaim? or other weird programs like nessus or ether ape?
i guess i would have to build them from source or something?
which i still don't understand. What exactly are we talking about when we say "building from source?"
 
Old 11-17-2003, 04:38 PM   #14
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When you download a tar.gz you unpack it, and do ./configure and make and make install
That's building from source. That files in that tar.gz are the source code, and you're compiling it into machine code.
Gentoo does this too, but it does it all automatically.
RPMs on the other hand (almost always) contain binary files (already compiled, but optimised for i386, usually, so they work on most computers)

emerge openoffice-bin etherape nessus gaim
Would install all 4
There are so many programs... I didn't even know about half
 
Old 11-17-2003, 04:45 PM   #15
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awesome, ok this is what i thought and what i have tried when an RPM doesn't work but of course it will tell me that things are missing. So i'm off to try downloading gentoo and see how that works out
 
  


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