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View Poll Results: Do you change a brand new PC directly to Linux, buy it with Linux, or something else?
Have bought Windows PCs and converted them straight to Linux 53 33.97%
Have only ever converted old PCs to Linux 16 10.26%
Have bought PCs which have Linux as their installed OS 11 7.05%
Typically build a custom system from the ground up 54 34.62%
Something else 22 14.10%
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Old 10-02-2014, 12:09 PM   #91
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All of my laptops are dual boot with Win 7. I bought a Win 8 box and wiped it and installed Win 7 & Linux...
I get a great laugh out of this. The irony of buying a new and wiping it with one revision back. However I do agree sort of. I've only viewed W8 and don't like it. Not that I love W7 but I sort of have to tolerate it at work.
 
Old 10-02-2014, 12:14 PM   #92
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This is why they advertise 'downgrade rights.'

A quick survey of my team reveals that downgrading is the norm. With one outlier that prefers to dual-boot 7 and 8 in case of special "Windows 8 Only" hardware.

I keep a Windows 7 VM for work related things, but the laptops and desktops at home are Arch, Debian, LFS and Gentoo. Windows-free zone.
 
Old 10-02-2014, 01:14 PM   #93
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I don't get the Windows 7 love either, metro is kinda nice and the start button kinda silly.
 
Old 10-06-2014, 02:28 AM   #94
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I don't know system monitor. Alternatives are tools like gparted, fdisk, cfdisk... Jut have a look with one of them at your partition table.
Not listed in gparted, unsurprisingly, as the drive was split and ex3 formatted for a /home partition.
 
Old 10-06-2014, 03:07 AM   #95
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Downgrade rights? I am currently looking for a cheap laptop and have had to rule out pre-installed Linux due to virtually none being available. So, I considered Windows 7 so I could at least dual boot easily to play Amazon Video but, again, virtually none available. So, how hard is it to downgrade from Windows 8 to Windows 7? Does one need to obtain a cheap Windows 7 disk and then simple use the Windows 8 license key for it?
 
Old 10-06-2014, 03:11 AM   #96
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Not listed in gparted, ...
So you overwrote the partition table and not only reformatted an pre-existing partition. Then it's gone... .
 
Old 10-06-2014, 08:21 AM   #97
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Downgrade rights? I am currently looking for a cheap laptop and have had to rule out pre-installed Linux due to virtually none being available. So, I considered Windows 7 so I could at least dual boot easily to play Amazon Video but, again, virtually none available. So, how hard is it to downgrade from Windows 8 to Windows 7? Does one need to obtain a cheap Windows 7 disk and then simple use the Windows 8 license key for it?
I purchase refurbished Laptops from Dell Outlet at a reasonable price. You would have to get a MS Win/7 disk with a product key if you want to downgrade a system. You can not use the product key from Win/8. You can still get Win/7 based Laptops from Dell. Downgrade issues may be the driver availability for the newer hardware using Win/7.
Hope this helps.
Have fun & enjoy!
 
Old 10-06-2014, 08:23 AM   #98
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I purchase refurbished Laptops from Dell Outlet at a reasonable price. You would have to get a MS Win/7 disk with a product key if you want to downgrade a system. You can not use the product key from Win/8. You can still get Win/7 based Laptops from Dell. Downgrade issues may be the driver availability for the newer hardware using Win/7.
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Have fun & enjoy!
Thanks, I'll take another look at Dell refurbished laptops -- they sound like they could be the way to go (the UK site didn't work last time I tried it).
 
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Depends what you call a cheap laptop, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...6027-_-Product. I like ones like this because they can live off of battery for a long time, they're very lightweight and if you put Linux on them they're really a full computer. This one is a little sparse though I have one of the older ATOM ones with 4G RAM and 130G HD.

Not saying Newegg is the cheapest, I noticed they have a refurbished Dell for $199 but they also have a new Toshiba with more HD space for $237.
 
Old 10-06-2014, 09:25 AM   #100
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@rtmistler

I am spoiled, that system screen size is way to small for me. I want some processing power and a large memory footprint with expansions to allow me the use of multiple storage systems (i.e. SSD & HDD). These old eyes need special effects for the display therefore the Dell XPS701xl w/i7, 16GB, 260GB SSD, 320GB HDD with Win/7(dual boot), Optimus Nvidia(bumblebeed) & Intel graphics. Not a system you want to carry on but does sit on my LapDesk(with cooler) and station desk when not in use. I do a lot of my work from the LazyBoy using this Laptop. I do SSH to maintain my other stations without issues. Yes, I am definitely spoiled and I can afford to get the system to suit my needs.

But of course, each to their own needs or desires.

Have fun & enjoy!
 
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I need something x86 for Flash plugins and the like but I am flexible on screen size. In some ways I wouldn't mind having Windows 7 fro reason already mentioned but it would be nice to be able to choose desktop* Linux without making huge compromises.
Sorry if I have derailed this thread a little but hopefully this little side discussion goes some way to explaining why people choose to do what they do regarding pre-installed OSs.

*i.e. not Android or Chrome OS. I have no problem with either but they won't do what I need and/or want.
 
Old 10-06-2014, 09:52 AM   #102
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I see no problem with this discussion since it still aligns with the original post. Not a real high-jack because we are still discussing the changes to a Windows based system to Linux. Just refining system requirements to accomplish the task as discussed earlier.
 
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The only issue I had with my netbook was the screen resolution not being 1024x768 min. I picked up a used 12" Dell latitude through Amazon and stuck a new drive in it (The D430 in my sig) so I never even booted into windows.
 
Old 10-07-2014, 01:04 AM   #104
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...it would be nice to be able to choose desktop* Linux without making huge compromises...
I seem to remember that KDE was ported to windows, dunno whether that is still viable though...
 
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I seem to remember that KDE was ported to windows, dunno whether that is still viable though...
That did sound interesting but I meant a desktop Linux rather than a Linux desktop -- in other words a fully-fledged Linux system rather than a paired down version like Chrome OS or Android.
Sadly there are so few machines with a desktop version of Linux preinstalled on the market to the UK consumer that they all seem in some way compromised to an extent that buying a machine with Windows preinstalled, even to replace Windows entirely, seems the cheaper and easier option for somebody wanting a desktop Linux machine.
I use the term "desktop Linux" but, perhaps, "full Linux" or "non-compromised Linux" could be used? What I am trying to get at is a version of Linux where, for example, I can watch a video from YouTube or in VLC whilst I am carrying out tasks on another machine over SSH.
 
  


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