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View Poll Results: Do you change a brand new PC directly to Linux, buy it with Linux, or something else?
Have bought Windows PCs and converted them straight to Linux 53 33.97%
Have only ever converted old PCs to Linux 16 10.26%
Have bought PCs which have Linux as their installed OS 11 7.05%
Typically build a custom system from the ground up 54 34.62%
Something else 22 14.10%
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Old 08-15-2014, 09:55 PM   #31
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I always build my computers from ground up and then install linux on them, All the old ones I get from other people as I upgrade theirs that have windows on get removed and linux installed.
Old 08-17-2014, 07:34 AM   #32
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My present desktop was a virgin when I bought it: without an OS. Gently broke it in with Slackware.
My laptop and netbook were both infected with Windows when I got them, though. Soon cured.
Old 08-17-2014, 08:59 AM   #33
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I have a Dell Laptop Touchscreen with 8.1 and got a new 256GB SSD to reinstall on then place a Slackware UEFI install on that. I will need to increase the memory footprint to the max.

I really do not see a need to remove 8.1 because I do have clients that need service at times. Do I like 8.1? Not really, feels cumbersome to me and not intuitive.

Hope this helps.
Have fun & enjoy.
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Old 08-17-2014, 01:56 PM   #34
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Originally Posted by Ray@ View Post
blah blah blah windows haters!
Well, I can only speak for myself, but YES as a matter of fact! More specifically I do indeed hate the corporate entity that produces it as they have repeatedly shown themselves to be EVIL in every important sense... got that?

Now, did you have anything to contribute here, or did you just drop by to foul the carpets?

And welcome to LQ, I think...

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Old 08-17-2014, 06:05 PM   #35
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Originally Posted by Ray@ View Post
blah blah blah windows haters!
Have you ever gave lnux a try? You may like it.

I don't hate the windows OS, I just prefer to use linux. Second, microsoft continues it's FUD campaigns against linux, android and chromebooks as well which may explain the animosity towards microsoft.
Old 08-17-2014, 06:09 PM   #36
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I don't hate Windows. I just prefer an operating system that's more stable and highly customizable. The price tag (or lack there of) just sweetens the deal.
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Old 08-17-2014, 08:19 PM   #37
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When I was working on iSCSI & compatibility (13 or 14 years ago) we bought a rack full of 1U servers blank and installed SUSE on them to run & test iSCSI. Since retiring, I've built up a home network of 3 Windows PCs (Laptop & 2 desktops) and 2 Linux PCs. One was an old Windows PC that I converted, now running an old RedHat install and is my DHCP, local DNS, and time server, The other is a bought blank PC currently on Ubuntu which is my Samba server, a backup server, and the system I turn to when I want to write any code or scripts. The desktop in this system displays various weather radar web sites 24/7. For my daily use I prefer to use Win 7. It does most everything I need, I can get into my Linux PCs using Xming, and keeps me current on Win so I can support all my friends & relatives.

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Old 08-17-2014, 10:15 PM   #38
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I am not a Linux hobbiest, but prefer to run the machine in my home office under Linux rather than Windoze. I have purchased two machines from Penguin Computing, the latest one running CentOS so I have a stable, well tested distro to work with. I am planning to acquire a laptop with Linux installed and functioning as my next computer.
Old 08-17-2014, 10:52 PM   #39
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I wiped it clean for Debian!

#3 in the poll is kinda, Linux?

Edit\add: did not even keep a backup of 3+3

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Old 08-17-2014, 11:14 PM   #40
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I don't really hate Windows necessarily, the way I see it is it's decent for what it is, and it's impossible really to avoid, so no sense it hating it, plus certain programs, like for example, 3DSMax or Visual Studio, require it, I just prefer to use Linux or BSD when I can, but if the job requires it, Windows is fine too, putting the whatever-the-job-at-hand-requires-is-the-superior-operating-system argument into play, I'm basically agnostic in all this.

If you do a lot of work in 3DSMax, for example, Windows is superior at that particular application because it's the only platform that program is available for, it hasn't been ported to OSX or Linux, meanwhile Maya is a draw because it's been ported to all three platforms, although if you want official support from Autodesk for Maya on Linux, the only choices you got are basically RHEL or CentOS.

Blender is also a draw because it's ported to, and fully supported on, all three of the main platforms as well.

Scores turn more towards Windows and OSX's favor for the Adobe suite because it's ported to both of those platforms and fully supported by Adobe on both.

GCC is superior on Linux as although it's been ported to Windows in many, many forms, it would be tough to beat working with that compiler in its native environment, while Visual Studio is superior on Windows because there's not really much of another choice of platform for that IDE and compiler combo.

GIMP, MyPaint, Inkscape, and Pinta are all draws because they've all been ported to and are fully supported on all three platforms.

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Old 08-18-2014, 06:55 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by Ray@ View Post
blah blah blah windows haters!
Kinda childish there. Why are you even on a Linux forum?

I didn't start the thread thinking about hating Windows; in fact I wasn't even thinking about the royalty thing for Microsoft. The thinking was really that I noticed a few posts for Newbies trying to install Linux, some encountering the UEFI Fast Boot BIOS problem. I just got to thinking about the evolution for me how over the years I've approached getting Linux working and under what conditions I've done this.

I used to put Linux on old systems which were so out of date and low on space that they'd just work better with Linux, and/or I no longer had the original license for Windows and there was only so far I'd go to get Windows working; for instance I wasn't going to buy a pirated Windows copy. Also I thought it was cool to play with Linux.

Linux has grown a great deal and I develop in it as part of my job. As said in an earlier post, I bought a cheap netbook type of system that had it's own version of Linux on it, I saved about $50 by not getting a Windows license for it; big whoop, but when you spend like $180 for a computer and it doesn't cost $230 because you don't pay for something you didn't want, then that's a winner for me. Meanwhile my desktop here has always had Linux, I obliterated Windows right after it was purchased; but I realize that the hidden partition for Windows restoration is still there, because I see it if I run fdisk.

I have Windows at home for the family, they're not interested in Linux they just want to do their surfing, iTunes, schoolwork, so I make sure that system is clean from viruses as much as I can. I get that and I'm not going to force Linux on them at all. The sad thing is that also means that in about 5 years, I get another Linux system to play with because eventually that family system will become unusable and slow with all the new Windows variations such that it will be more beneficial to buy a system with newest hardware and newest version of Windows. Meanwhile I'll take the old one, re-image it and run Linux on it and it'll be fine for many years.

I also develop in Windows for work and have a bunch of systems here for that purpose.

I don't "hate" Windows; it makes me a lot of money actually.

But how about you Ray@? You're here in a Linux forum. Have you used Linux? What do you do? Run a virtual machine, run a live distro? Or have you installed Linux and do a dual boot?

Or did you just come here to snark? Because I've seen your 1 other post in another thread, looks like you're just interested in causing trouble.

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Old 08-18-2014, 09:02 AM   #42
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Well lets see. I have Windows on a work provided system. Every few months bitlocker decides that it won't accept my password so I have to call the helpdesk to get a recovery key, then repeat over the next couple weeks so I can get a ticket escalated to have someone reset the lockout counter.
It takes several minutes after its resumed each morning to just run the hdd constantly while it swaps.
I've had MSExcel crash more times than I can count. I've had Sharepoint simply not save updates to documents. I've had servers reboot and decide they need activated despite using an enterprise license install. I have a ticket number for a typeperf bug which Microsoft says they won't fix. I've had newer versions of MS Software refuse to open files saved in an older version (money, Visio). I've lost countless hours due to buggy software.
For comparison I've had crashes in OpenOffice, I've messed up Linux once or twice and reinstalled because I couldn't figure out how to fix it. Difference here is I've paid $ for Microsoft products to supposedly professionals and have better reliability with free volunteer maintained software.
Yea, I hate windows, don't get me started on Apple.
Old 08-18-2014, 05:26 PM   #43
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Haven't used Windows since 2006. Have built dozens of linux computers for myself, friends, and customers. Installed Red Hat, SuSe, Slackware, PCLOS, Slampp, CentOS, Ubuntu, Mint, Plan9. Some installs had problems, most did not. Use different releases of Mint in all my computers. I'm old and I get tired of screwing with systems. Very few problems with Mint. Next is a home server with Debian, Ubuntu, or CentOS. I love linux and the whole Unix file system. LONG LIVE LINUX!
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I used to build my own desktops, but eventually I just got sick of digging through HCLs for each and every little component and chipset. I bought a System76 Wild Dog Performance last month and it has been absolutely wonderful to me. It came with Ubuntu but I replaced it with Arch the moment I took it out of the box.
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yea whell as recently i use linux as the initial operating system and build my machines from scratch however whenever i encounter a machine with an old os (often windows) i tarbal its content folowing links... to keep any software on the device functionall. then on tje linux machines i can do a pxe boot in a virtuall machine to the mounted archive or restore the backup to a virtual disk... so really i just kinda move it down one level if its in my way
runing linux as the machine host throw in some utils and a cloud and you can do whatever you dream of doing in any multiple os you want simultaneously from any where


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