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12-16-2002, 11:02 PM
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Seems like Ewen is not interested using apt-get or Synaptic...ok I will keep this between Ewen and Allen614.
Sorry for interrupting....
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12-17-2002, 07:44 AM
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I would also recommend you get a hold of apt4rpm and synaptic. Makes installing and removing software an absolute breeze in comparison to bog standard RPM.
We don't always have to do things the hard way you know!
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12-17-2002, 08:29 AM
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OOOH NOOO!!! The dreaded "CLI vs GUI" debate. Most people sit in the drivers seat and check out the interior when they shop for a new vehicle. I'm the guy that checks out the engine first.
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12-17-2002, 09:02 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Allen614
OOOH NOOO!!! The dreaded "CLI vs GUI" debate. Most people sit in the drivers seat and check out the interior when they shop for a new vehicle. I'm the guy that checks out the engine first.
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LOL Not quite, I happen to use apt from the command line myself. Once you've had Debian you never go back, or something like that. ;> Synaptic was thrown in as one of the better GUI's as Ewen looks to be running Mandy and XP, both no doubt pretty gooey.
Flibble
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12-17-2002, 09:46 AM
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I'm a Mandrake refugee and before this thread had never heard of apt4rpm. I used the "CLI" because Rpmdrake was buggy at best. For removing apps the CLI didn't trash your database quite as bad. I've a copy of Woody 3.0 to try so I'll find out about apt-get soon.
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12-17-2002, 04:33 PM
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Location: Victoria, Australia
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gigsvoo... looks like I have started somewhat of an argument here btween users of a variety of programmes... unintentional I can assure you.
At the outset let me explain that I am a complete newcomer to Linux in whatever form, Mandrake, RedHat, Debian or whatever. I am very much feeling my way along in the dark. I asked Allen614 how to go about using the command that he suggested because I couldn't find Synaptic. I have since found it (on another site) and having downloaded it I have no idea how to install it, or once having achieved that; where to find it to use it.
I am happy with Mandrake... it suits my purposes, which is to be a learning platform and it is achieving that. As for XP... well it belongs in a different forum but for the purposes of this one I find it to be the best Windows platform yet.
When I have learned the command line structure and the way programmes are stored in Linux I'm sure I'll fare better but for the moment it is a bit of an uphill struggle.
Thank you to all the respondents here for their comments... regards
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12-17-2002, 06:50 PM
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Just a little suggestion Ewen. ML 9.0 has a couple of apps that helped me a lot. Midnight Commander in CLI and FileRunner in X.
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12-17-2002, 08:29 PM
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Besides Redhat, I also tried installing and tested a few simple stuff with Mk9, cool. The kernel is better (one minor advance than Redhat), and the acceleration is cool. I am not sure what is the reason maybe becoz I installing Mk9 using ReiserFS as well as tested using XFS.
Anyhow, this apt-get thing first started from Debian (according to sources from Internet), so I thought "Debianist" should like it arRRR??
OT: What do we call people who uses different distro?
Redhat - Redhatian
Mandrake - Mandrakien
Debian - Debianist
SuSE - SuSEan
Slackware - Slackwaren
what do your think???
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12-19-2002, 05:34 AM
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You need to install apt4rpm first Ewen before you can run Synaptic, as you need to build the APT repository (which apt4rpm does for you).
http://apt4rpm.sourceforge.net/ - APT4RPM
Plenty of doco available at the same site. Trust me, once you start using apt-get you will wonder how you ever managed without it.
Flibble
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12-19-2002, 05:40 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ewen
gigsvoo... looks like I have started somewhat of an argument here btween users of a variety of programmes... unintentional I can assure you.
At the outset let me explain that I am a complete newcomer to Linux in whatever form, Mandrake, RedHat, Debian or whatever. I am very much feeling my way along in the dark. I asked Allen614 how to go about using the command that he suggested because I couldn't find Synaptic. I have since found it (on another site) and having downloaded it I have no idea how to install it, or once having achieved that; where to find it to use it.
I am happy with Mandrake... it suits my purposes, which is to be a learning platform and it is achieving that. As for XP... well it belongs in a different forum but for the purposes of this one I find it to be the best Windows platform yet.
When I have learned the command line structure and the way programmes are stored in Linux I'm sure I'll fare better but for the moment it is a bit of an uphill struggle.
Thank you to all the respondents here for their comments... regards
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No argument is looking forward from me. Sorry.
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12-19-2002, 05:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Flibble
You need to install apt4rpm first Ewen before you can run Synaptic, as you need to build the APT repository (which apt4rpm does for you).
http://apt4rpm.sourceforge.net/ - APT4RPM
Plenty of doco available at the same site. Trust me, once you start using apt-get you will wonder how you ever managed without it.
Flibble
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Should also say, once you have installed and configured apt4rpm, you should be able (provided it is in your repository, it is for RH, not sure about Mandy) to just use:
"apt-get install synaptic" from the command line to install synaptic. Then just run "synaptic" from the command line. Installation of new software then becomes just:
apt-get install <new stuff>
It works out all the dependancies for you and installs everything needed to get the software working. No more follow the RPM road as you try to work through the spaghetti dependancies on your system. Synaptic just throws some point-and-clicky razzamatazz around it.
I would also suggest that you get a hold of make_uninstall which will make your life a whole lot easier when installing from tarballs. http://freshmeat.net/projects/make_u...41%2C257%2C253 You can also use this to convert your tarballs to RPM's or APT packages.
Flibble.
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12-19-2002, 04:29 PM
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Thank you Flibble... I have downloaded both programmes and your post possibly answers a problem I was having with Synaptic... essentially it won't install, it seems to be looking for another file which may be what your post is advising. I never noted the error but I'll try again tonight and re-post.
Thanks again.... regards.
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12-24-2002, 12:58 AM
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Arrrrgghhhh %$*@+
I have downloaded both apt4rpm and Synaptic. I also downloaded another manager 'Filerunner'. I tired to install Filerunner and it seemed to unzip but it unzipped to my 'Download' folder on XP (where I keep all my downloads).
Amongst all the folders and files the unzip created there was one called 'Install'.
How the devil do I install it, where does it go and how the devil do I know where it's gone. I had the same trouble with apt4rpm and Synaptic. I have absolutely no idea what to do with them!
Maybe I should stick with Windows and dear old fashioned DOS!
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12-24-2002, 02:15 AM
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Read the "install". Create a softlink from FileRunner/fr to /usr/bin/fr and it's installed. Type "fr" in a terminal to run it.
Last edited by Allen614; 12-24-2002 at 02:18 AM.
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12-24-2002, 05:30 AM
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Thank you Allen614...
Create a softlink from FileRunner/fr to /usr/bin/fr
I have read the 'Install' and I came across the phrase above but the trick is knowing how to do that... in other words how do I create a 'softlink'?
I am coming to grips with the syntax and terminology slowly but I'm easily baffled!
(PS you were spot on with your definition of 'fsck', in another ebook I found on one of my coverdisks it mentions fsck as being a command (with options) which 'checks the structure and integrity of a specified file system).
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